"It's a needle in a haystack problem: 99.99% of the data is noise,"

Celtic Wolf
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> Well put Jim, surely it

Message 4149 in response to message 4148


> Well put Jim, surely it would only be "common courtesy" to recognise the
> project, all the volunteers involved and particularly those that crunched the
> final data, no great hardships that, is it ?
>
> Willie
>
>

Personally I'd settle for "Thanks to the others who donated computer time", because my ex-wife would try to take 25% of what she thought I made for finding the Pulsar and the court would give it to her.....

In leiu of that name it after me..


Misfit
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> thread, "That and $2.00

Message 4150 in response to message 4143

> thread, "That and $2.00 will get me a nice drink at StarBucks."

Two bucks? Not any StarBucks around here.

me-[at]-rescam.org

Jim Baize
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Just 25%? Your ex is being

Message 4151 in response to message 4149

Just 25%? Your ex is being really nice to you.

She gets the gold mine, I get the shaft!

Jim

> Personally I'd settle for "Thanks to the others who donated computer time",
> because my ex-wife would try to take 25% of what she thought I made for
> finding the Pulsar and the court would give it to her.....
>
> In leiu of that name it after me..
>
>
>

Jim

Jim Baize
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uhmm... it was a guess on my

Message 4152 in response to message 4150

uhmm... it was a guess on my part. The nearest StarBucks to be is maybe an hour and definitely 2.5 hours.

Jim

> > thread, "That and $2.00 will get me a nice drink at StarBucks."
>
> Two bucks? Not any StarBucks around here.
>

Jim

Fat B
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> uhmm... it was a guess on

Message 4153 in response to message 4152

> uhmm... it was a guess on my part. The nearest StarBucks to be is maybe an
> hour and definitely 2.5 hours.
>
> Jim
>
> > > thread, "That and $2.00 will get me a nice drink at StarBucks."
> >
> > Two bucks? Not any StarBucks around here.
> >
>

LOL - What, a StarBucks free zone, don't speak too soon Jim !!!

Celtic Wolf
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> > uhmm... it was a guess on

Message 4154 in response to message 4153

> > uhmm... it was a guess on my part. The nearest StarBucks to be is maybe
> an
> > hour and definitely 2.5 hours.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > > > thread, "That and $2.00 will get me a nice drink at
> StarBucks."
> > >
> > > Two bucks? Not any StarBucks around here.
> > >
> >
>
> LOL - What, a StarBucks free zone, don't speak too soon Jim !!!
>
>
>

The Gov'mint building I work in serves Starbucks coffee in one of the two restuarants in the building. Got to love it..


Sean
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> > Why do I feel like I am

Message 4156 in response to (parent removed)

> > Why do I feel like I am entitled? Because I am donating electricity to
> this
> > project. I am donating time to download the program and keep it running
> and
> > updated. I am donating hard-drive space to hold data.
> >
> > I am not looking for fame or fortune because of a discovery I might or
> might
> > not make. However, I do feel like mine name should be listed somewhere.
> Even
> > if it is in the abstract or the footnote of the technical paper.
> >
> > It could look something like this:
> >
> > Footnote:
> > The data from this project was computed using spare CPU cycles of
> volunteers
> > all over the world. The data that lead to this particular discovery was
> > calculated by Jim Baize, Roy G. Biv, and John Q. Public. The data was
> then
> > verified by Jane Doe and Mary Palmer.
> >
> >
> > What happens if / when I don't get that recognition? Well... Nothing. I
> know
> > I did a good thing. If the author of the paper did not list the
> volunteers in
> > an effort to minimize the effect of our work on his project thereby
> making him
> > look like a bigger player in the grand scheme of things, then he will
> have to
> > live with that on his conscience.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > > > Why the hell do you feel like you are entitled to the
> > "discovery"(or
> > > even
> > > > mentioning) if you just HAPPEN to analyze the data that sparks
> > > discovery?
> > >
> > >
> >You're missing the point. This is a collective effort, everyone is
> helping. The fact that your computer happened to pick up the "NEEDLE IN A
> HAYSTACK" doesn't entitle you to mentioning anymore than a person who analyzed
> "HAY" all day. You're donating electricity like us all. With that logic we ALL
> deserve mentioning. Because you see, you have no control over whom (and if)
> the solution is discovered. You don't deserve entitlement because you didn't
> do any more than the next guy in line, you just happen to get lucky.
>

Sean
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An update in the FAQ

An update in the FAQ section

>>This question is under discussion between the LIGO and GEO labs, and the LIGO Scientific Collaboration. It has not yet been answered. Here are a few facts that are relevant. (1) Einstein@Home participants are carrying out one step (the most computationally-intensive one) in a pulsar search. However the results are fed back into a later stage of search which looks for consistency between different independent results. So no single user 'makes the discovery'. (2) Since (for the purpose of validation) the work is done by several machines independently, belonging to different users, any credit should be shared between the different users who got that result.

We expect to update this answer in the future.

Dennis
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> An update in the FAQ

Message 4158 in response to message 4157

> An update in the FAQ section
>
> >>This question is under discussion between the LIGO and GEO labs, and
> the LIGO Scientific Collaboration. It has not yet been answered. Here are a
> few facts that are relevant. (1) Einstein@Home participants are carrying out
> one step (the most computationally-intensive one) in a pulsar search. However
> the results are fed back into a later stage of search which looks for
> consistency between different independent results. So no single user 'makes
> the discovery'. (2) Since (for the purpose of validation) the work is done by
> several machines independently, belonging to different users, any credit
> should be shared between the different users who got that result.
>
> We expect to update this answer in the future.
>
I don't expect to receive any scientific credit. But just posting a list on this site somewhere of those that have found pulsars in their WU's would work wonders for getting more people involved.
It would not take much, just something like
John Doe possible pulsar in WU xxxxx at RA xxx Dec xxx frequency xxx

Dennis

Jim Baize
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Well, to be honest, I

Message 4159 in response to (parent removed)

Well, to be honest, I disagree with you. I don't have any eloquent arguments that I can use to support my case. It's just an opinion. You happen to disagree with me, and that is your right. (it just happens to be that my opinion is right! ROFL j/k)

Jim

> >You're missing the point. This is a collective effort, everyone is
> helping. The fact that your computer happened to pick up the "NEEDLE IN A
> HAYSTACK" doesn't entitle you to mentioning anymore than a person who analyzed
> "HAY" all day. You're donating electricity like us all. With that logic we ALL
> deserve mentioning. Because you see, you have no control over whom (and if)
> the solution is discovered. You don't deserve entitlement because you didn't
> do any more than the next guy in line, you just happen to get lucky.
>

Jim

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