Available: roughly 2.2 GB
System cache: roughly 660 MB.
Windows Vista and Win7 both handle memory MUCH differently than XP does, Vista and Win7 both believe that unused memory is wasted memory and will use unused memory as a 'cache' to make the system faster.
The next time you reboot go into your Bios and see if you have it set to shut off the machine, or even to slow it down if it hits a certain temp? That could be the problem too, when just running as a pc without Boinc nothing is getting heat stressed so it would not come close to that temp, but when running Boinc it easily could, thereby shutting down the machine, or at least causing your bsod. Do you leave the side off or on? If you always put it back on, try leaving it off for a bit and see if that makes any difference.
Greetings Mikey,
After you posted this yesterday, and after I reported what I observed, I believe that XP is handling available memory much the same way as Vista and 7. When I first re-booted, 20 hours ago, my available and system cache were much as in my quote above. Now, after 20 hours, my system cache is greater than my available: 2 GB system and 1.8 GB available.
About the BIOS suggestion: I will do that in a bit. I'm going to make one more attempt at installing Linux on the i7 for dual-boot purposes as suggested by Martin the other day.
I still cannot get over the fact that the i7 runs without a problem so long as I'm not running BOINC. It's only when I allow it to run BOINC that all H E double hockey sticks breaks loose. This, to me, tells me that:
1. There is something wrong with BOINC
2. There is something wrong with Windoze
3. There is a conflict with Windoze when BOINC is running
4. There is a conflict with BOINC due to #2 above
5. Any combination of 1 thru 4 above
One thing I have forgotten to mention is: Sometimes, when BOINC is running and I start getting this problem, I'll see an error message stating (in paraphrase), "X application cannot start. System is low on resources. You need to stop some other applications to free up more resources." I'll check my available RAM and system cache and they will be fine. Before all this started happening, I had no problem running 5, 6 or more apps, including BOINC, all at the same time.
I only had the BSOD once, the other day, since I built the i7 back in May. The error was caused by a Windoze system file when I was installing my video driver. Which, by the way, was fully installed even with the generated error and BSOD. Weird, huh?
Before all this, I was running BOINC on all 8 cores, crunching SETI, plus having several other apps going as well, with no ill affects. I ran a "torture test" on the CPU the other day and it passed without a single error. All my hardware passes without errors.
I leave all panels intact on the case after working inside it. Leaving the side panel(s) off would tend to raise the temps. I don't see how that would be an effective test...
My i7 is now dual-boot capable. Kubuntu v10.10 is installed next door to WinXP Pro. It is the 64 bit version.
The i7 is happily crunching MilkyWay and VP. BOINC v6.10.58 is installed on the Linux side of the fence. BOINC is running on all 8 cylinders for now. Figured for a good test, may as well allow all 8 cores. :)
This will test to see if there is indeed something wrong with the i7 or if Windoze is just acting its usual flakey self. I'm figuring and hoping the latter.
... My i7 is now dual-boot capable. Kubuntu v10.10 is installed next door to WinXP Pro. It is the 64 bit version.
The i7 is happily crunching MilkyWay and VP. BOINC v6.10.58 is installed on the Linux side of the fence. BOINC is running on all 8 cylinders for now. Figured for a good test, may as well allow all 8 cores. :)
This will test to see if there is indeed something wrong with the i7 or if Windoze is just acting its usual flakey self. I'm figuring and hoping the latter.
Wish me luck, guys! :)
Just see what happens.
That should be a good test to compare whether it might be a hardware or OS problem.
If OS, then my wild guesses for this story would be to next suspect the drivers or anti-virus. Might even be a strange problem within Win7 itself.
If hardware, then I think the next suspects are problems with a PSU overload or localised heating.
If an Win7 OS problem, any problem for staying with Linux on that box?
... My i7 is now dual-boot capable. Kubuntu v10.10 is installed next door to WinXP Pro. It is the 64 bit version.
The i7 is happily crunching MilkyWay and VP. BOINC v6.10.58 is installed on the Linux side of the fence. BOINC is running on all 8 cylinders for now. Figured for a good test, may as well allow all 8 cores. :)
This will test to see if there is indeed something wrong with the i7 or if Windoze is just acting its usual flakey self. I'm figuring and hoping the latter.
Wish me luck, guys! :)
Just see what happens.
That should be a good test to compare whether it might be a hardware or OS problem.
BOINC is happily crunching away. I've already had some WUs for both projects finished and updated. It's been almost a hour and a half now and I see no ill affects, yet.
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If OS, then my wild guesses for this story would be to next suspect the drivers or anti-virus. Might even be a strange problem within Win7 itself.
My anti-virus updates periodically, including core components. But that's not to say that something hasn't come through buggy.
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If hardware, then I think the next suspects are problems with a PSU overload or localised heating.
Localized heating? Not sure what you mean there Martin. I know the CPU is not overheating. The Corsair H50 is doing its job quite nicely. I haven't seen a CPU temp over 51C and that is considerably lower than when it ran with the stock fan. I don't believe that my video card is overheating, not after the torture test I put it through the other day.
The PSU is only a few years old. And, it's no cheap PSU either. The monitor that came with the Asus motherboard shows all the voltages within established parameters.
Quote:
If an Win7 OS problem, any problem for staying with Linux on that box?
Sorry Martin, not running Win7. I'm running WinXP Pro 32 bit. I'm sure you know Mark Sattler over at SETI? Well, after reading about his Win7 experiences this morning, I'm not so sure I want to go that route just yet. I know that WinXP Pro 64 bit is still available and will get it after the new year. If Win7 is anything like Vista, I don't want it. I got rid of Vista off my laptop in lieu of Linux. I hated waiting nearly 5 minutes for the laptop to boot into Vista. Not to mention I couldn't do things that I could do with a blindfold on in WinXP. And, I didn't like the GUI at all.
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Good luck!
Martin
Wow! BOINC is just chowin' down on those WUs! It just uploaded and updated some VP WUs and downloaded some more already. Perhaps it's time for some Einstein too. It's getting close to the 2 hour mark and still going strong! I really hope it continues... :)
If an Win7 OS problem, any problem for staying with Linux on that box?
Sorry Martin, not running Win7. I'm running WinXP Pro 32 bit. I'm sure you know Mark Sattler over at SETI? Well, after reading about his Win7 experiences this morning, I'm not so sure I want to go that route just yet. I know that WinXP Pro 64 bit is still available and will get it after the new year. If Win7 is anything like Vista, I don't want it. I got rid of Vista off my laptop in lieu of Linux. I hated waiting nearly 5 minutes for the laptop to boot into Vista. Not to mention I couldn't do things that I could do with a blindfold on in WinXP. And, I didn't like the GUI at all.
Win7 IS Windows Vista but all fixed, or mostly fixed. The way to tell if an OS is being accepted is to watch the Business Community computers, and they are now switching to Win7 from XP! The Business Community had ALOT of problems with Vista too but are finding most of those fixed or bypassed in Win7. I too run Win7 and LOVE IT!! My wife was switched from Vista to Win7 and LOVES IT!! She is not a computer person but figured things out. If you knew the Vista way then you pretty much know the Win7 way of doing things. NO it is NOT exactly the same for everything, they would not be able to sell a new OS for more money if they didn't change something!!
Also XP is about to be dumped as far as Windows Updates goes, meaning it will be wide open to all viruses, trojans, etc, etc because MS will NOT be providing updates. Just as happened to Windows 2000 and 98 etc, etc. You MUST update and win7 IS a good choice!
If an Win7 OS problem, any problem for staying with Linux on that box?
Sorry Martin, not running Win7. I'm running WinXP Pro 32 bit.
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Win7 IS Windows Vista but all fixed, or mostly fixed. The way to tell if an OS is being accepted is to watch the Business Community computers, and they are now switching to Win7 from XP! The Business Community had ALOT of problems with Vista too but are finding most of those fixed or bypassed in Win7. I too run Win7 and LOVE IT!! My wife was switched from Vista to Win7 and LOVES IT!! She is not a computer person but figured things out. If you knew the Vista way then you pretty much know the Win7 way of doing things. NO it is NOT exactly the same for everything, they would not be able to sell a new OS for more money if they didn't change something!!
Also XP is about to be dumped as far as Windows Updates goes, meaning it will be wide open to all viruses, trojans, etc, etc because MS will NOT be providing updates. Just as happened to Windows 2000 and 98 etc, etc. You MUST update and win7 IS a good choice!
Greetings Mikey,
About a year ago, I wrote a Perl CGI program that analyzes the information received when my websites receive a hit. The information is stored in a log and read by the program. The section that analyzes the OS hits show me that XP is not about to die any time soon.
Analysis this month to date:[pre]
WinXP - 44.9% of total hits
Vista - 29.5% of total hits
Win7 - 10.7% of total hits[/pre]
I believe that the Win7 percentage will have to increase dramatically to overcome Vista, let along WinXP. Perhaps I'll go to Buy More, er, I mean Best Buy and play around with Win7 just to get a feel for it. I know I won't be able to do anything really dramatic, since it's only a demo. Right now, I'm on the fence between XP and 7.
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*** UPDATE ***
Well, I'm dual booting WinXP and Kubuntu v10.10 on the i7. Took some doing to get Linux to install, but finally got it to. Right now, I'm not too happy with v10.10, but that's beside the point of this update.
After the install and getting some configuration done, I installed BOINC v6.10.58. Yep, the latest and greatest! I attached to MilkyWay and Virtual Prairie. The i7 BOINCed for 8 straight hours before I had to switch to WinXP. The i7 ran without a problem, well one unrelated one that I'll get to in a moment. I'm going to try to let it go for at least 24 hours, hopefully, before I have to do something needing WinXP again.
The small problem mentioned above is that with my keyboard and mouse. I have a KVM switch between my i7 and the Linux PC. The Linux PC is running Kubuntu v10.04, no other OS on the Linux PC.
When I first tried to install v10.04 and then v10.10, on the i7 for dual-boot purposes, the mouse and keyboard would lock up at the partitioning section for both installs. I swapped out my wireless mouse and keyboard for wired ones and they locked up. I finally connected them directly to the i7 and got v10.10 to install. After the installation I went back to my original setup.
On occasion, they will still lock up in v10.10 only. They don't lock up if the i7 is booted into WinXP and they don't lock up for the Linux PC. While locked up, I switch to the Linux PC and they are still working quite nicely.
I have swapped out the 2 port KVM for a 4 port KVM. They still lock up. I have swapped out the wireless for wired keyboard and mouse and they still lock up. My thought is that Kubuntu is not quite ready for "prime Time".
Anyway, that problem is irrelevant to the problem being discussed in this thread. Despite the lock up, BOINC and everything else continues to run without a problem, there's just no further interaction. I did find a widget that displays the CPU and MoBo temps, and the temps are within normal parameters. There is no overheating taking place.
That's it for now. I'm leaning quite heavily toward the notion that WinXP Pro will have to go through a clean install, again. And, you all know what that means... ;) Re-installation of all my other software. :(
... The small problem mentioned above is that with my keyboard and mouse. I have a KVM switch between my i7 and the Linux PC. The Linux PC is running Kubuntu v10.04, no other OS on the Linux PC.
...On occasion, they will still lock up in v10.10 only. They don't lock up if the i7 is booted into WinXP and they don't lock up for the Linux PC. While locked up, I switch to the Linux PC and they are still working quite nicely.
I have swapped out the 2 port KVM for a 4 port KVM. They still lock up...
That's a curious one that I've heard of in the past. Can't remember the problem/fix.
Try a Google search for Kubuntu 1010 KVM lockup? There's enough of Kubuntu out there for people to be discussing it if it's a problem.
About a year ago, I wrote a Perl CGI program that analyzes the information received when my websites receive a hit. The information is stored in a log and read by the program. The section that analyzes the OS hits show me that XP is not about to die any time soon.
Analysis this month to date:[pre]
WinXP - 44.9% of total hits
Vista - 29.5% of total hits
Win7 - 10.7% of total hits[/pre]
I believe that the Win7 percentage will have to increase dramatically to overcome Vista, let along WinXP. Perhaps I'll go to Buy More, er, I mean Best Buy and play around with Win7 just to get a feel for it. I know I won't be able to do anything really dramatic, since it's only a demo. Right now, I'm on the fence between XP and 7.
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Keep on BOINCing...! :)
And since when has MS cared what its users think? MS switched to Win98 from Win95 even though its users LOVED 95, they then came out with Me, 2000 and XP, each time not caring a hoot about what its users were thinking or seemingly caring either! Windows XP support WILL be ended VERY shortly and NOT extended again! That according to the MS guy that works where I used to work! Yes my old 'company' paid the salary of a guy from MS to be on site as his daily job. Every day he came to my 'company' and then tried to keep the 30k pc's, servers, whatever all communicating as his job. I use 'company' because it was a local government agency that I no longer work for, and NO it was not THAT 'company'!!
If you have a spare pc I think you can still download a demo of Win7 somewhere.
... The small problem mentioned above is that with my keyboard and mouse. I have a KVM switch between my i7 and the Linux PC. The Linux PC is running Kubuntu v10.04, no other OS on the Linux PC.
...On occasion, they will still lock up in v10.10 only. They don't lock up if the i7 is booted into WinXP and they don't lock up for the Linux PC. While locked up, I switch to the Linux PC and they are still working quite nicely.
I have swapped out the 2 port KVM for a 4 port KVM. They still lock up...
That's a curious one that I've heard of in the past. Can't remember the problem/fix.
Try a Google search for Kubuntu 1010 KVM lockup? There's enough of Kubuntu out there for people to be discussing it if it's a problem.
One dodgy KVM lead or KVM connector possibly?
Let us know how you get on!
Good luck,
Martin
Greetings Martin,
Well, I do believe I have come to a conclusion on both my problems:
The i7 is still running on Kubuntu v10.10. And, it is still BOINCing quite nicely. This after 17 hours of continuous operation. I can't get much past 8 on WinXP, if even that. This tells me that my next project will be to do a clean install of WinXP.
As for the mouse / keyboard lock up problem: I do not believe that it is hardware, in that I have 2 different KVM switches and the problem happens with both, also with wireless and wired mice and keyboards, while running Kubuntu v10.10 only. There is no lock up problem with the Linux PC running v10.04 Kubuntu and there is no problem on the i7 when running on WinXP. By the way, I believe I found a pattern in the lock up. I have noticed that if I have 3 apps running and start a fourth for whatever reason, that is when the mouse and keyboard lock up.
I said yesterday that I believed that Kubuntu v10.10 was not ready for prime time. I did as you suggested and used the Google machine to see what I could find about the mouse/keyboard/KVM lock up problem. I found that many users were/are having the same problem, but not just with v10.10. I read on one user's blog, an article about this with v10.10, and in the end, he said the same thing I did, v10.10 is not ready for prime time.
So, in conclusion of this final test: I have the 2 BOINC projects set to NNT and when they have finished, I will do a clean install of WinXP and not dual-boot Kubuntu. I will have the Windoze install recover the partition that Linux is on right now. This installation will be a temporary one. After I get my tax return next year, I plan on getting a 64 bit version of Windoze, whether that be WinXP Pro or Win7 Pro, I will decide then. Also, I will wait for Kubuntu v10.10 to be released with LTS, perhaps by then most of the current bugs will be squashed. I then will upgrade my Linux PC, maybe, it is running quite fine and stable on v10.04.
Martin, thanks for your help and suggestions. I really appreciate it. :) Feel free to continue. I will continue to post updates here until I am satisfied that there are no more problems. BOINC is finished with VP, except that it cannot upload one last WU result because of an error (probably due to a lock up and hard reset to re-boot). I'm not sure how long MilkyWay will take, I'm thinking at least a couple more days. I'm seeing some 53 hour TTCs, ok, maybe 3 more days, heck, maybe a week. I have quite a number of WUs yet. The mouse and keyboard are still operational with only 2 apps running, BOINC and my terminal program to check for uptime.
I use a four port KVM switching between 4 servers and all works fine across various flavours/versions of Mandriva. ...There are more distros than just Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
If you want an "LTS" edition, the Kubuntu 10.04LTS should work well.
Very strange that you associate starting a fourth application for causing the KVM problem... But then if you need to use the KVM, then that's a killer.
For KVM hardware problems, don't forget that the problem can be in a lead/connector and not just the box itself...
If you have some "killer apps" on Windows that you don't want to move from, it may be worth a giggle to see if they are supported on Linux by using WINE. In the days of old, the fastest combination to run the old s@h 'screensaver' cruncher was to run the Windows application on WINE on a Linux OS!
RE: RE: Well, one thing I
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Greetings Mikey,
After you posted this yesterday, and after I reported what I observed, I believe that XP is handling available memory much the same way as Vista and 7. When I first re-booted, 20 hours ago, my available and system cache were much as in my quote above. Now, after 20 hours, my system cache is greater than my available: 2 GB system and 1.8 GB available.
About the BIOS suggestion: I will do that in a bit. I'm going to make one more attempt at installing Linux on the i7 for dual-boot purposes as suggested by Martin the other day.
I still cannot get over the fact that the i7 runs without a problem so long as I'm not running BOINC. It's only when I allow it to run BOINC that all H E double hockey sticks breaks loose. This, to me, tells me that:
1. There is something wrong with BOINC
2. There is something wrong with Windoze
3. There is a conflict with Windoze when BOINC is running
4. There is a conflict with BOINC due to #2 above
5. Any combination of 1 thru 4 above
One thing I have forgotten to mention is: Sometimes, when BOINC is running and I start getting this problem, I'll see an error message stating (in paraphrase), "X application cannot start. System is low on resources. You need to stop some other applications to free up more resources." I'll check my available RAM and system cache and they will be fine. Before all this started happening, I had no problem running 5, 6 or more apps, including BOINC, all at the same time.
I only had the BSOD once, the other day, since I built the i7 back in May. The error was caused by a Windoze system file when I was installing my video driver. Which, by the way, was fully installed even with the generated error and BSOD. Weird, huh?
Before all this, I was running BOINC on all 8 cores, crunching SETI, plus having several other apps going as well, with no ill affects. I ran a "torture test" on the CPU the other day and it passed without a single error. All my hardware passes without errors.
I leave all panels intact on the case after working inside it. Leaving the side panel(s) off would tend to raise the temps. I don't see how that would be an effective test...
Ok, off to see about the Linux install... :)
Thanks Mikey! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
Greetings, *** UPDATE
)
Greetings,
*** UPDATE ***
My i7 is now dual-boot capable. Kubuntu v10.10 is installed next door to WinXP Pro. It is the 64 bit version.
The i7 is happily crunching MilkyWay and VP. BOINC v6.10.58 is installed on the Linux side of the fence. BOINC is running on all 8 cylinders for now. Figured for a good test, may as well allow all 8 cores. :)
This will test to see if there is indeed something wrong with the i7 or if Windoze is just acting its usual flakey self. I'm figuring and hoping the latter.
Wish me luck, guys! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :) (And, once again, I AM!)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
RE: ... My i7 is now
)
Just see what happens.
That should be a good test to compare whether it might be a hardware or OS problem.
If OS, then my wild guesses for this story would be to next suspect the drivers or anti-virus. Might even be a strange problem within Win7 itself.
If hardware, then I think the next suspects are problems with a PSU overload or localised heating.
If an Win7 OS problem, any problem for staying with Linux on that box?
Good luck!
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
RE: RE: ... My i7 is now
)
BOINC is happily crunching away. I've already had some WUs for both projects finished and updated. It's been almost a hour and a half now and I see no ill affects, yet.
My anti-virus updates periodically, including core components. But that's not to say that something hasn't come through buggy.
Localized heating? Not sure what you mean there Martin. I know the CPU is not overheating. The Corsair H50 is doing its job quite nicely. I haven't seen a CPU temp over 51C and that is considerably lower than when it ran with the stock fan. I don't believe that my video card is overheating, not after the torture test I put it through the other day.
The PSU is only a few years old. And, it's no cheap PSU either. The monitor that came with the Asus motherboard shows all the voltages within established parameters.
Sorry Martin, not running Win7. I'm running WinXP Pro 32 bit. I'm sure you know Mark Sattler over at SETI? Well, after reading about his Win7 experiences this morning, I'm not so sure I want to go that route just yet. I know that WinXP Pro 64 bit is still available and will get it after the new year. If Win7 is anything like Vista, I don't want it. I got rid of Vista off my laptop in lieu of Linux. I hated waiting nearly 5 minutes for the laptop to boot into Vista. Not to mention I couldn't do things that I could do with a blindfold on in WinXP. And, I didn't like the GUI at all.
Wow! BOINC is just chowin' down on those WUs! It just uploaded and updated some VP WUs and downloaded some more already. Perhaps it's time for some Einstein too. It's getting close to the 2 hour mark and still going strong! I really hope it continues... :)
Thanks Martin! :)
Keep on BOINCing...!
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
RE: RE: If an Win7 OS
)
Win7 IS Windows Vista but all fixed, or mostly fixed. The way to tell if an OS is being accepted is to watch the Business Community computers, and they are now switching to Win7 from XP! The Business Community had ALOT of problems with Vista too but are finding most of those fixed or bypassed in Win7. I too run Win7 and LOVE IT!! My wife was switched from Vista to Win7 and LOVES IT!! She is not a computer person but figured things out. If you knew the Vista way then you pretty much know the Win7 way of doing things. NO it is NOT exactly the same for everything, they would not be able to sell a new OS for more money if they didn't change something!!
Also XP is about to be dumped as far as Windows Updates goes, meaning it will be wide open to all viruses, trojans, etc, etc because MS will NOT be providing updates. Just as happened to Windows 2000 and 98 etc, etc. You MUST update and win7 IS a good choice!
RE: RE: RE: If an Win7
)
Greetings Mikey,
About a year ago, I wrote a Perl CGI program that analyzes the information received when my websites receive a hit. The information is stored in a log and read by the program. The section that analyzes the OS hits show me that XP is not about to die any time soon.
Analysis this month to date:[pre]
WinXP - 44.9% of total hits
Vista - 29.5% of total hits
Win7 - 10.7% of total hits[/pre]
I believe that the Win7 percentage will have to increase dramatically to overcome Vista, let along WinXP. Perhaps I'll go to Buy More, er, I mean Best Buy and play around with Win7 just to get a feel for it. I know I won't be able to do anything really dramatic, since it's only a demo. Right now, I'm on the fence between XP and 7.
----------
*** UPDATE ***
Well, I'm dual booting WinXP and Kubuntu v10.10 on the i7. Took some doing to get Linux to install, but finally got it to. Right now, I'm not too happy with v10.10, but that's beside the point of this update.
After the install and getting some configuration done, I installed BOINC v6.10.58. Yep, the latest and greatest! I attached to MilkyWay and Virtual Prairie. The i7 BOINCed for 8 straight hours before I had to switch to WinXP. The i7 ran without a problem, well one unrelated one that I'll get to in a moment. I'm going to try to let it go for at least 24 hours, hopefully, before I have to do something needing WinXP again.
The small problem mentioned above is that with my keyboard and mouse. I have a KVM switch between my i7 and the Linux PC. The Linux PC is running Kubuntu v10.04, no other OS on the Linux PC.
When I first tried to install v10.04 and then v10.10, on the i7 for dual-boot purposes, the mouse and keyboard would lock up at the partitioning section for both installs. I swapped out my wireless mouse and keyboard for wired ones and they locked up. I finally connected them directly to the i7 and got v10.10 to install. After the installation I went back to my original setup.
On occasion, they will still lock up in v10.10 only. They don't lock up if the i7 is booted into WinXP and they don't lock up for the Linux PC. While locked up, I switch to the Linux PC and they are still working quite nicely.
I have swapped out the 2 port KVM for a 4 port KVM. They still lock up. I have swapped out the wireless for wired keyboard and mouse and they still lock up. My thought is that Kubuntu is not quite ready for "prime Time".
Anyway, that problem is irrelevant to the problem being discussed in this thread. Despite the lock up, BOINC and everything else continues to run without a problem, there's just no further interaction. I did find a widget that displays the CPU and MoBo temps, and the temps are within normal parameters. There is no overheating taking place.
That's it for now. I'm leaning quite heavily toward the notion that WinXP Pro will have to go through a clean install, again. And, you all know what that means... ;) Re-installation of all my other software. :(
Have a great weekend! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :)
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Siran's website: [ ONLINE! ]
RE: ... The small problem
)
That's a curious one that I've heard of in the past. Can't remember the problem/fix.
Try a Google search for Kubuntu 1010 KVM lockup? There's enough of Kubuntu out there for people to be discussing it if it's a problem.
One dodgy KVM lead or KVM connector possibly?
Let us know how you get on!
Good luck,
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
RE: About a year ago, I
)
And since when has MS cared what its users think? MS switched to Win98 from Win95 even though its users LOVED 95, they then came out with Me, 2000 and XP, each time not caring a hoot about what its users were thinking or seemingly caring either! Windows XP support WILL be ended VERY shortly and NOT extended again! That according to the MS guy that works where I used to work! Yes my old 'company' paid the salary of a guy from MS to be on site as his daily job. Every day he came to my 'company' and then tried to keep the 30k pc's, servers, whatever all communicating as his job. I use 'company' because it was a local government agency that I no longer work for, and NO it was not THAT 'company'!!
If you have a spare pc I think you can still download a demo of Win7 somewhere.
RE: RE: ... The small
)
Greetings Martin,
Well, I do believe I have come to a conclusion on both my problems:
The i7 is still running on Kubuntu v10.10. And, it is still BOINCing quite nicely. This after 17 hours of continuous operation. I can't get much past 8 on WinXP, if even that. This tells me that my next project will be to do a clean install of WinXP.
As for the mouse / keyboard lock up problem: I do not believe that it is hardware, in that I have 2 different KVM switches and the problem happens with both, also with wireless and wired mice and keyboards, while running Kubuntu v10.10 only. There is no lock up problem with the Linux PC running v10.04 Kubuntu and there is no problem on the i7 when running on WinXP. By the way, I believe I found a pattern in the lock up. I have noticed that if I have 3 apps running and start a fourth for whatever reason, that is when the mouse and keyboard lock up.
I said yesterday that I believed that Kubuntu v10.10 was not ready for prime time. I did as you suggested and used the Google machine to see what I could find about the mouse/keyboard/KVM lock up problem. I found that many users were/are having the same problem, but not just with v10.10. I read on one user's blog, an article about this with v10.10, and in the end, he said the same thing I did, v10.10 is not ready for prime time.
So, in conclusion of this final test: I have the 2 BOINC projects set to NNT and when they have finished, I will do a clean install of WinXP and not dual-boot Kubuntu. I will have the Windoze install recover the partition that Linux is on right now. This installation will be a temporary one. After I get my tax return next year, I plan on getting a 64 bit version of Windoze, whether that be WinXP Pro or Win7 Pro, I will decide then. Also, I will wait for Kubuntu v10.10 to be released with LTS, perhaps by then most of the current bugs will be squashed. I then will upgrade my Linux PC, maybe, it is running quite fine and stable on v10.04.
Martin, thanks for your help and suggestions. I really appreciate it. :) Feel free to continue. I will continue to post updates here until I am satisfied that there are no more problems. BOINC is finished with VP, except that it cannot upload one last WU result because of an error (probably due to a lock up and hard reset to re-boot). I'm not sure how long MilkyWay will take, I'm thinking at least a couple more days. I'm seeing some 53 hour TTCs, ok, maybe 3 more days, heck, maybe a week. I have quite a number of WUs yet. The mouse and keyboard are still operational with only 2 apps running, BOINC and my terminal program to check for uptime.
Thanks again, Martin! :)
Keep on BOINCing...! :) (I am, once again! :) )
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Very interesting...
I use a four port KVM switching between 4 servers and all works fine across various flavours/versions of Mandriva. ...There are more distros than just Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
My list of suggestions for trying distros runs:
Kubuntu, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Sabayon, Debian, Fedora, CentOS.
I'm sure others will have their preferences!
If you want an "LTS" edition, the Kubuntu 10.04LTS should work well.
Very strange that you associate starting a fourth application for causing the KVM problem... But then if you need to use the KVM, then that's a killer.
For KVM hardware problems, don't forget that the problem can be in a lead/connector and not just the box itself...
If you have some "killer apps" on Windows that you don't want to move from, it may be worth a giggle to see if they are supported on Linux by using WINE. In the days of old, the fastest combination to run the old s@h 'screensaver' cruncher was to run the Windows application on WINE on a Linux OS!
Good luck,
Martin
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