GTX460 replacement thinking

archae86
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For a little over a year, I've been operating two hosts with GTX460 graphics cards. Running a factory overclocked card, with quite capable host CPUs heavily underloaded with CPU work, these give just a little over 36,000 RAC running BRP on the GPUs with a small contribution from LineVeto Extended on the CPUs.

While these have mostly been pretty satisfactory, my power costs are considerable, and I've been throttling (using Fred's TThrottle) both to hold back room overheating in the warmer eight months of the year, and to reduce my top-tier power costs, which here at the moment run 14.7 US cents per kilowatt-hour when over 900 kWhr in a month, and not so very much less at the next tier down. My home uses evaporative cooling, which while less a power hog than refrigerated air, still gives me incentive to cut down PC power during the cooling months. A particularly undesirable attribute of the GTX460 for my case is that the contribution to system idle power is very substantial.

Gary Roberts has argued the case for the GTX650 as giving a good combination of performance, purchase price, and power consumption. I've recently considered re-equipping both GTX460 hosts with a GTX650 replacement. The power cost savings would recover the initial expenditure in less than a year, but my yearly average output would drop moderately. The small die size and perhaps the TSMC 28 nm process probably give the 650 cards lower idle power than my 460s, and of course the operating power is dramatically less.

More recently I'm thinking that for at least one of the systems I'd like to consider replacing the GTX460 with a GTX660 instead of a 650. On information I can find so far, it appears this would still give a system with somewhat lower idle power than my 460, higher Einstein useful throughput when running at full rate, lower maximum power, and a more favorable productivity per watt rating throughout the throttling range.

But I'd really like anyone here with GTX 660 Einstein (especially BRP) knowledge of any kind to share (experience, observation, reading...). Any information would be welcome--actual observed performance, power consumption, power supply sensitivity, driver problems, dependence on host CPU capability, dependence on motherboard bus capability... I don't mean GTX660 ti, which is another beast entirely, and I've not been able to find an appreciable number of Einstein hosts running the GTX 660 flat out.

My systems are not pure Einstein compute hosts. One is in fact my daily driver and also my primary sound editing platform. The other is the primary disk host for backups on my network, and also the backup desktop PC for occasions when my wife or I have trouble on our respective primary PCs.

I still intend to use a GTX650 if I do a new build for my wife soon. The current one has no graphics card at all, and the computer desk at that location provides inferior case air movement, so lower maximum power is a major consideration.

Gavin
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GTX460 replacement thinking

archae86

Although this is not what you have asked for, I hope I can provide a little information that may put other users figures into perspective and help in your decision making.

I have a 660Ti toting host based on an Asus p5q motherboard, 4gig ram and a Q6600 quad core with one HDD.
Not sure how to link to this host but you can view it in my computers list.

IDLE= 102 Watts

LOAD= 298 Watts

Power measurements were taken using a UK manufactured Olson power meter.
The numbers quoted are the maximum observed over a 10 minute period.
Idle @ desktop (Windows)and load whilst running 3x GravS6's on the cpu and 3 concurrent BRP's on the gpu.

This host produces an RAC of around 35000 a day which isn't too bad considering its old tech!!

And if its any consolation the starting cost of my electric equates to slightly more than your top tier at todays exchange rate 15 cents per KWhr.

AgentB
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Maybe you could reduce the

Maybe you could reduce the number of machines running, and run the two GTX460s on one (suitable) motherboard + PSU?

I have not the perfect motherboard (it runs PCE x16 and x8), and only have one four core i3, but get 40-45K / day from my two gtx460s. I leave two cores free for the GPUs and they are busy. I think with the right motherboard and an i7, 60K / day might be achievable.

The x8 runs 10 degrees C cooler, so I guess its not running at full power.

I do not over clock and the temps are 60C or less, and I need the heating!

MarkJ
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I have a few of them. One

I have a few of them. One machine with two cards, and two others with a single card each.

I had GTX460's at one point, went to the 560ti and now I am on the 660's. Performance wise I'd estimate they are about 30% faster than the 560ti while using less power. It's summer down here (Sydney) and its hot so the majority of the farm has been off, including these ones.

I use Seasonic brand 750w power supplies in all the GPU equipped machines. The Intel GPU machines (integrated on the CPU chip) have 550w Seasonic power supplies.

Both my GTX460's suffered memory failures and were replaced under warranty (EVGA gave them 2 year warranty). The current 660's are Palit brand, so only a 1 year warranty but are factory OC'ed and have fairly good cooling. Unfortunately when the room temp is 30 degrees you don't need a computer adding to it :-)

Tom Plummer
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yes i had seen the same

yes i had seen the same heating on the 400 series cards vs the 500 series cards.. the 500 series cards use less power and less heat.

i order a 660 960 cores for 189.00 us..as a replacement for
a 560 card.

Patrick
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I´m running an Gtx 660 Twin

I´m running an Gtx 660 Twin Frozer(TF2OC) from MSI i can recommend you.
It´s running under 50 degrees Celsius with crunching 2 simultaneously but if you choose that card make sure you have PCIE 3.0 or perhaps you have to do a Bios update which i had to do on my AMD Board.

If i would i could let my fans scream so it would be more cooler :)

Patrick
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I forgot to say from 6 cores

I forgot to say from 6 cores there are running 4 with cpu jobs at fixed 3600 Mhz
and 2 cores are free for GPU and selfuse.My System takes 250 watts under load.

Patrick
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In US you have a good

In US you have a good electricity price here in germany actually at this year the price went up from 25 eurocent to 28 eurocent brutto for private using.
It has to do a lot with renewable energy politic.

archae86
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Thank you to those providing

Thank you to those providing information. I've ordered a GTX 660 card, intending to swap it into one of my two GTX 460-hosting systems. Probably in a couple of weeks I intend to report here on comparative power consumption and BRP-productivity.

As I am noise-sensitive, I chose a GTX 660 card with unusually large fans. My fan noise root level understanding is that big, many, and slow are the key enablers for lower acoustic noise at equivalent cooling level.

That was the main consideration driving my selection of a GIGABYTE GV-N660OC-2GD among available 660 cards.

Loard Nikon
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Thanks archae, I'll

Thanks archae, I'll definitely be looking forward to your comparison of the cards. I somewhat recently built my first computer as an Einstein crunching machine and read and re-read your posts about bringing up your GTX 460 hosts. Though I did not build a strict price/performance machine (I wanted a really powerful machine as a toy as well), it was great food-for-thought and did get me thinking about efficiency (WUs completed/watts, etc).

Somewhat related to the points you and Patrick mentioned, I wonder if anyone has experience with the closed, shroud (e.g., EVGA) style 660 temperatures and the open, blower (e.g., GIGABYTE) type coolers. I purchased 2 EVGA 660TIs and they've been great, but they do run quite warm at around 74-76 (non factory overclocked, boost enabled and TDP at 123%). Initially I wanted the shrouded-type cooler so it would eject the heat out of the back of the case, but I have a lot of fans in the case anyway and am now thinking that it wouldn't much matter if I had gone with the blower-type that you mentioned.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

(Also, first post! Longtime lurker/minor project participant and recently built a machine after wanting to do a build for years.)

Patrick
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I have my case closed. All

I have my case closed.
All the cables from the powersupply are in a tube for better airflow.
In front and on the left side I´ve a Be quiet fan 120 or 140 milimeters diameter and the air is filtered very well against dust.
On the back the only fan i have there is that from the power supply that could be bettered with an additional fan but i don´t need that because my cpu has max 95watts TDP and its Cooler can handle up to 160wattsTDP so i think with this setup my system runs cool enough.
But i never putted in a second graphic card.
The 2 Graphic card fans are running around 2000rpm and could be fired up in summer to 4300rpm each.

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