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Message 105427 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 18:01:58 UTC

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    We are delighted to announce that Einstein@Home has made its first discovery: a radio pulsar, found in data from the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico.

    Details are available in a paper published online by Science today. Science has given us permission to post a copy of the abstract and paper here. They are also on the Science website here. The manuscript is also in the arXiv preprint archive (use the PDF link in the top right corner).

    A press-conference webcast about this first discovery is also available.

    The name of the pulsar is PSR J2007+2722. It is a 40.8 Hz isolated pulsar, 17,000 light years distant in the plane of the Galaxy, and is most likely a Disrupted Recycled Pulsar (DRP). If so, it is the fastest DRP yet discovered.

    The Einstein@Home volunteers whose computers found the pulsar with the highest significance are Chris and Helen Colvin, from Ames Iowa and Daniel Gebhardt, Musikinformatik, Universitaet Mainz.

    Additional information about the discovery is available on our web pages. I will also talk about it at the London Citizen Cyberscience Summit on September 2nd.

    We thank ALL Einstein@Home volunteers for their support, and look forward eagerly to our next discovery.

    Bruce Allen, Director, Einstein@Home
    August 12, 2010
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    Message 105428 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 18:27:04 UTC

      Wow, this is big news. Congratulations to everybody who made this possible. And Helen, Chris and Daniel, I am soooooo jealous!

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      Message 105429 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 19:17:46 UTC

        Then the method is sound. Was it ABP2?
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        Message 105430 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 19:53:30 UTC

          Congratulations!

          I believe in Einstein@Home since February of 2005 and believe that is only first discovery of this project!
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          Message 105431 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 20:32:26 UTC - in response to Message 105427.

            Congratulations with this discovery!

            Goes to show we're not doing this for nothing (or credits only). :-)
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            Message 105432 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 20:50:12 UTC

              The NSF webcast is now online.

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              Message 105433 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 21:11:29 UTC

                Congratulations for the great work. ^_^

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                Message 105437 - Posted 12 Aug 2010 23:50:47 UTC

                  Congratulations to the volunteers and the AEI staff involved in this discovery! I think this is a great day also for BOINC in general and the concept of citizen science.

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                  Message 105438 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 1:24:03 UTC

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                    My heart skipped a beat or three !! This awesome .... :-) :-)

                    As Homer Simpson says : "it works on so many levels". It is indeed a multiple first and is a boon to the entire DC community. [ Having said that I am ever so cheesy grin that it was E@H - but that's my personal bias :-) ].

                    Looking at the detail, the discovery is at least mild on the weirdo scale - not in the middle of the pulsar garden - and I will eagerly await further definition of this beastie ....

                    [ I think I see harmonics ( of ~ 40Hz ) on the plot, more or less of equal strength and a suggestion of sidebands. I'm going to stare at the animations for a while ... ]

                    Cheers, Mike.

                    ( edit ) Ah I can imagine, I reckon, the annular/crater like morphology of the emission cone, with our line-of-sight trekking across the outer edge, dipping in, running across the crater floor ( not hitting the exact centre but not far off it either ) and then slipping up and over the other side ( with a mild asymmetry between the outer rim slopes on entry and exit ). The pulse profile is the equivalent of a surveyors elevation map along a traverse line/cut - likely not an actual physical feature of the pulsar surface but in the sense of variation in emission strength with surface position. The edge of the glowing yellow cone in the animation is the peak of the 'crater rim'.
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                    Message 105439 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 3:04:18 UTC

                      As a long-time fan of this project, I am excited to hear the excellent news! The sneak announcement of a possible second pulsar discovery (see time 22:00 to 22:35 in the NSF webcast) means the race is on. Congratulations to the lucky discoverers and let's keep crunching....


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                      Message 105440 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 4:09:57 UTC - in response to Message 105439.

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                        As a long-time fan of this project, I am excited to hear the excellent news! The sneak announcement of a possible second pulsar discovery (see time 22:00 to 22:35 in the NSF webcast) means the race is on. Congratulations to the lucky discoverers and let's keep crunching....

                        Yes I saw that, contributors from UK and Russia putatively. I also thought that this announcement may trigger a spot of gold-rush fever ..... there's pulsars in them thar hills! :-)

                        Cheers, Mike.

                        ( edit ) I think the E@H PALFA/ABP WU fraction ( of total distributed ) is going to increase too ???

                        ( edit ) From here

                        “This is the first time I’ve worked closely with radio astronomers making a discovery,” said Allen. “It was like watching 5-year-olds tearing Christmas presents. Or like watching someone throw chunks of meat at starving sharks.”

                        So maybe any gold rush will influx from both sides : computing contributors and those that seek to harness .... thus with more ( catalytic ) power to both.
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                        Message 105442 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 4:36:35 UTC

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                          You know you've hit the big time when you are the featured story on the Coast To Coast AM Radio Show web site!

                          Congratulations!!

                          edit: I'm fairly certain that George Noory will make mention of it on tonights show which starts at 22:00 PDT. C2C has a huge audience, well, coast to coast, and globally via the Internet and satellite radio.

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                          Message 105443 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 4:42:30 UTC

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                            Also in Nature News:
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                            Message 105444 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 5:52:06 UTC

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                              From the BBC also. This coverage will do distributed computing some good.

                              At the time of writing this, the article is second on the sites list of "Most popular" articles. Of course, early at the moment in the UK.
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                              Message 105445 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 8:39:55 UTC

                                That's a really big news~! Congratulations to all~~

                                ps. Hope I'll be the next lucky guy ^oo^
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                                Message 105446 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 8:51:52 UTC

                                  9682 new hosts in the last 24 hours.
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                                  Message 105447 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 9:38:13 UTC

                                    I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour.

                                    Could anyone suggest what might be done to improve this, in the next days? One suggestion was, if you read an on-line article about E@H, please add something to the 'COMMENT' area below the article, saying "to sign up, point your web browser to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and follow the instructions: Join Einstein@Home".
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                                    Message 105448 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 10:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 105447.

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                                      ...One suggestion was, if you read an on-line article about E@H, please add something to the 'COMMENT' area below the article, saying "to sign up, point your web browser to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and follow the instructions: Join Einstein@Home".


                                      This is a good idea!


                                      Maybe we can add also "if you are already signed up but your RAC is <10... no chance for you to discover a new pulsar :-D"

                                      P.S. congratulations !!!!!
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                                      Message 105449 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 10:56:24 UTC - in response to Message 105447.

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                                        I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour.

                                        Could anyone suggest what might be done to improve this, in the next days? One suggestion was, if you read an on-line article about E@H, please add something to the 'COMMENT' area below the article, saying "to sign up, point your web browser to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and follow the instructions: Join Einstein@Home".

                                        What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category. One couldn't/wouldn't have to speak on behalf of E@H, but simply give them a heads up on the discovery. Our national broadcaster ABC and most of the DownUnda major networks et al have some variety of online contact from the general public to their newsrooms available ( email, web form etc .. ). This could be virally effective.

                                        Cheers, Mike.
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                                        Message 105450 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 11:00:07 UTC

                                          This is soooooooooo awesome! Congrats to the volunteers and especially the scientific and technical teams,
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                                          Message 105451 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 11:01:01 UTC - in response to Message 105449.

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                                            What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category.


                                            This is a good idea. Many local radio and TV stations and newspapers would probably be more interested in doing a story if they felt there was a local person who could talk about their participation in the project.
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                                            Message 105452 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 11:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 105450.

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                                              This is soooooooooo awesome! Congrats to the volunteers and especially the scientific and technical teams,


                                              Thank you! Fun to find something, at last. And if you watch the webcast, you'll learn that we've already found a SECOND radio pulsar in Einstein@Home (but are not revealing many details yet!).
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                                              Message 105453 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 11:14:05 UTC - in response to Message 105451.

                                                This is a good idea. Many local radio and TV stations and newspapers would probably be more interested in doing a story if they felt there was a local person who could talk about their participation in the project.


                                                Yup. Well that's me off and running then. Consider it done! :-)

                                                Cheers, Mike.

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                                                Message 105455 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 12:24:58 UTC - in response to Message 105446.

                                                  9682 new hosts in the last 24 hours.


                                                  Yep. But 2/3 of these are from our top two contributers which throw away their hostids. I modified the server status page to exclude hosts of these accounts.

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                                                  Message 105457 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 12:59:39 UTC

                                                    Still, 2283 new participants in 24 hours. This is the effect of the pulsar discovery.
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                                                    Message 105464 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 16:32:33 UTC - in response to Message 105447.

                                                      I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour.

                                                      Could anyone suggest what might be done to improve this, in the next days? One suggestion was, if you read an on-line article about E@H, please add something to the 'COMMENT' area below the article, saying "to sign up, point your web browser to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and follow the instructions: Join Einstein@Home".



                                                      Well, there may not be much we can do for now. With hot weather in the northern hemisphere, a lot of people have undoubtedly decided to shutdown their computers to help keep things cool. (I've had to shut down must of my computers for that, as I've indicated elsewhere.)
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                                                      Message 105474 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 19:39:06 UTC

                                                        The rate of volunteers signing up is increasing. We're now up to 4800 in the first 24 hours, so about 200/hour. And in the past ten hours the rate has been 250/hour. That's an improvement!
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                                                        Message 105475 - Posted 13 Aug 2010 20:26:05 UTC

                                                          hi
                                                          only just 'found out' about and this project 'by chance' on the internet and am happy for my 'idle computer time' to be used for such a wonderful project - have emailed a few of my friends to do the same

                                                          wonder if you've thought of a facebook page? - as friends of friends of friends can see it rather than me just relying on my friends to pass on the email to their friends etc

                                                          looking forward to the next discovery x

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                                                          Message 105503 - Posted 14 Aug 2010 15:03:51 UTC

                                                            Hi all, I have just recently joined after seeing the report in the UK BBC local news website.
                                                            I must admit to being somewhat overwhelmed by the space "jargon".
                                                            Many congrats and thanks to the people who have found the pulsar, if it wasn`t for you I wouldn`t of known that I could do this with my pc.
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                                                            Message 105504 - Posted 14 Aug 2010 15:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 105503.

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                                                              Hi all, I have just recently joined after seeing the report in the UK BBC local news website.
                                                              I must admit to being somewhat overwhelmed by the space "jargon".
                                                              Many congrats and thanks to the people who have found the pulsar, if it wasn`t for you I wouldn`t of known that I could do this with my pc.
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                                                              Welcome to Einstein@Home!


                                                              Yes, the jargon can be a bit frightening at first :-) , but don't hesitate to ask questions here, for example in the "Science" forum. Learning about Pulsars, neutron Stars, astrophysics and the strange world of general relativity is a big fun part of Einstein@Home.

                                                              (You might not be able to post messages initially in all forums here, but after returning the first validated results from your PC, you'll be able to do so as an active member. This is a anti-spam feature we had to adopt to stop spammers flooding the forum).

                                                              In the meantime, there are some links on the home page that might be useful to get an introduction into the science of Einstein@Home. I recommend especially the following:

                                                              http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/radiopulsar/html/index.php Info on the Pulsar search here at Einstein@Home

                                                              http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/einstein.ram (Realplayer required) A movie on gravitational waves and detectors built to catch them.


                                                              http://www.einstein-online.info/ A portal for information on Relativity for the general public.

                                                              Happy crunching
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                                                              Message 105514 - Posted 14 Aug 2010 23:42:35 UTC

                                                                Bravo,


                                                                It's very impressive!

                                                                I hope the project will go on discovering the universe.


                                                                Thanks!

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                                                                PS: a link to a french article:
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                                                                Message 105547 - Posted 15 Aug 2010 20:11:26 UTC - in response to Message 105451.

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                                                                  What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category.


                                                                  This is a good idea. Many local radio and TV stations and newspapers would probably be more interested in doing a story if they felt there was a local person who could talk about their participation in the project.


                                                                  Bruce, 2 or 3 years ago I noted how many users there, BOINCwide, worldwide. If memory serves correctly, it was in the 1,500,000 to 1,800,000 range. BOINCStats now indicates there are 2,006,833 users of BOINC (for any project) worldwide. Thus, the approximate range of daily recruitment of users for any project is about 450 to 700 people (rounding the minimum down a little and the max up a bit).

                                                                  Is there some stats page, BOINCStats or other, that tracks joining rates?

                                                                  I wonder if BOINCStats is tracking active users or just those that have signed up (and possible never even crunched a single WU)?

                                                                  Referring to your first post on current new crunch join rate, or any subsequent posts, well, I'd have to say that on the surface this current rate seems somewhat better than the overall, BOINCwide, join rate I'm estimating for over the past 2-3 years. On the other hand, there's the issue of whether those that join actually crunch (regardless of RAC0 and are retained.

                                                                  I do not totally agree that this is a good idea. To "get the story out," it should come from the project scientists or, at the least, the project scientists should provide some pointers of what they'd like mentioned if the bulk of spreading the word is left to the crunchers.

                                                                  I say this based on me reading of Leading Minds: An Anatomy Of Leadership by Howard Gardner and Emma Laskin (1996). It's too bad there was not more to say in that book about leadership in the information age.

                                                                  Along similar lines, consider that a magazine such as Discover has, IIRC, had few articles on Distributed Computing in the last 2-3 years. When SETI is in an article, it's the SETI Institute, with discussions with Seth Shostak, for example. Rarely, if ever, is the SETI@Home project included in such an article.

                                                                  I believe project scientists need to take an active part in spreading the word: the "story" to get out there is your story, and crunchers could only assist in getting the word out in a limited fashion.

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                                                                  Message 105549 - Posted 15 Aug 2010 21:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 105547.


                                                                    Is there some stats page, BOINCStats or other, that tracks joining rates?

                                                                    I wonder if BOINCStats is tracking active users or just those that have signed up (and possible never even crunched a single WU)?


                                                                    There is, and yes.

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                                                                    Message 105550 - Posted 15 Aug 2010 22:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 105547.

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                                                                      I believe project scientists need to take an active part in spreading the word: the "story" to get out there is your story, and crunchers could only assist in getting the word out in a limited fashion.

                                                                      Hence the sentence I wrote after the one quoted :

                                                                      One couldn't/wouldn't have to speak on behalf of E@H, but simply give them a heads up on the discovery.

                                                                      Bruce did actively lead - he flew to the US and back from Germany - to fit into an NSF web program slot which included the lead PALFA scientist James M. Cordes and BOINC originator David Anderson.

                                                                      I hear what you say, Sarge. It' more a pragmatic issue of E@H not having the funds/time etc ( this applies to many E@H activities, indeed why E@H exists at all ). Ideally a dedicated press office/publicist/etc would be great.

                                                                      DownUnda at least, the press is hard to distract from it's own profits, 'general interest' stories don't fly too well ( apart from cats stuck in trees ) and anything without footage is dead in the water. As science discoveries certainly don't fit the shock/horror/scandal paradigm one is left with viral/non-broadcast methods.

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                                                                      Message 105556 - Posted 16 Aug 2010 5:19:01 UTC - in response to Message 105547.

                                                                        I wonder if BOINCStats is tracking active users or just those that have signed up (and possible never even crunched a single WU)?

                                                                        Both, as you could've seen on the BOINC combined stat. You mentioned the total number of users, while the active number is just one column to the right.
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                                                                        Message 105565 - Posted 16 Aug 2010 9:38:50 UTC - in response to Message 105447.

                                                                          Well, you got me :) I did not know about the project before so maybe you need either more discoveries or just more news!

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                                                                            Congratulations for your discovery.This makes me want to return.And I am returning.

                                                                            I have a Pentium 2.4 GHZ to this project.My dual cores are for WCG only.

                                                                            By the way.Why isn't it possible to select ONLY the Arecibo binary pulsar search.

                                                                            The other apps are greyed out...

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                                                                            Message 105581 - Posted 16 Aug 2010 22:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 105580.

                                                                              Congratulations for your discovery.This makes me want to return.And I am returning.

                                                                              I have a Pentium 2.4 GHZ to this project.My dual cores are for WCG only.

                                                                              By the way.Why isn't it possible to select ONLY the Arecibo binary pulsar search.

                                                                              The other apps are greyed out...

                                                                              See here.

                                                                              Cheers, Mike.

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                                                                              Message 105585 - Posted 17 Aug 2010 3:20:09 UTC

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                                                                                Well I managed to hit one of the Melbourne dailies :-)



                                                                                Cheers, Mike.

                                                                                ( edit ) It's in the weekly 'Learn' supplement/lift-out, evidently a pretty straight copy from here. That's all it took from me - a quick word or twenty with a web link - entered into their web form for 'news tips'.

                                                                                ( edit ) Oooh, heck! It's also turned up in another Melbourne daily I contacted - here. See how easy it is? Now, get to it team .... :-)

                                                                                ( edit ) AND the same story ran in Brisbane ( same media group ) - here. There! If I can do it, anyone can .... :-)

                                                                                ( edit ) AND in Sydney ( same media group ) - here. I'll have to take back a few of my earlier comments about the Aussie media now .... :-)

                                                                                ( edit ) Here's some other Aussie sites reporting on the discovery too ..... here, there and also here.

                                                                                ( edit ) Actually the timing on some releases appears to precede my contact with them, by my recollection. No matter ...... what matters is E@H is getting some good coverage DownUnda. Contributors ought still poke their local media outlets regardless ..... ;-)
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                                                                                Message 105589 - Posted 17 Aug 2010 16:52:41 UTC

                                                                                  Mike, good job.
                                                                                  Anyone, please don't take my earlier points as criticism of Bruce or the project.
                                                                                  Here's something I noticed last night, though, after seeing Mike's post before the edits:

                                                                                  Suppose someone reads the article inspired by Mike's contact. No mention in that brief blurb indicates E@H runs under BOINC and where to get BOINC.
                                                                                  OK, so the really interested people will figure, I can find that out, I'll Google Einstein@Home (or use Yahoo or some other search engine).

                                                                                  http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdGo.vGpMHCIBrmdXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701&p=einstein%40home&SpellState=&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top
                                                                                  Luckily, on Yahoo, the first hit is to the main page of the project site, and one can quickly find how to "join." The second hit, the Wiki, is filled with gobbeldygook. If I hadn't been using BOINC for years already, and if I weren't very interested, and if I weren't the type to sort to take the time to sort through it and find what I need, I would've stopped looking.

                                                                                  http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=einstein%40home&aq=f&aqi=g-z1g7&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C1MZYU71qTKrmHpP4M_nxkYkMAAAAqgQFT9DFpfM&fp=ea2cd8eab02d18af
                                                                                  It's not as good with Google. The second hit is the Wiki. (No, not a BOINC Wiki. A usual Wiki.) The third is better, going to the Max Planck Institute. Links from there are easy to follow.
                                                                                  Most or all of the rest of the hits are the current news about the 3 "citizen" scientists (interesting term).

                                                                                  What I see as goals that need work: how to get the story further out there about BOINC and easy-to-follow information about how to get the program. Then, the story about individual projects, E@H in particular or otherwise.

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                                                                                  Message 105593 - Posted 17 Aug 2010 19:05:49 UTC - in response to Message 105589.

                                                                                    What if the e@h created a facebook page?

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                                                                                    Message 105602 - Posted 18 Aug 2010 0:41:18 UTC - in response to Message 105593.

                                                                                      What if the e@h created a facebook page?

                                                                                      http://www.facebook.com/pages/EinsteinHome/111138845604847?ref=search. It still requires advertisement and easy to navigate information about how to obtain BOINC in order to attach to the project (or any other project).

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                                                                                      Message 105698 - Posted 20 Aug 2010 14:50:34 UTC

                                                                                        Hi,

                                                                                        with some delay in German on heise.de:

                                                                                        Angeschaltet bleiben für Arecibo

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                                                                                        Message 105708 - Posted 20 Aug 2010 20:00:18 UTC

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                                                                                          http://pgj-new.pagesperso-orange.fr/0810-nouvelles.htm#pulsar

                                                                                          ^^

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                                                                                          Message 105721 - Posted 21 Aug 2010 9:38:11 UTC

                                                                                            I am a new member..

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                                                                                              Welcome from Lost In Yonkers.
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                                                                                              Message 105784 - Posted 23 Aug 2010 21:10:32 UTC - in response to Message 105743.

                                                                                                Also in Germany there are some articles to be read, watch this :
                                                                                                http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltall/0,1518,711702,00.html

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                                                                                                Message 105785 - Posted 23 Aug 2010 21:21:34 UTC - in response to Message 105784.

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                                                                                                  Also in Germany there are some articles to be read, watch this :
                                                                                                  http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltall/0,1518,711702,00.html


                                                                                                  There are about 25 on-line articles in German, as well as a number of printed newspaper stories during the past week. Do a 'Google News' search for "Einstein@Home" or "J2007+2722" to find them.
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                                                                                                  Message 105786 - Posted 23 Aug 2010 21:54:38 UTC - in response to Message 105602.

                                                                                                    What if the e@h created a facebook page?

                                                                                                    http://www.facebook.com/pages/EinsteinHome/111138845604847?ref=search. It still requires advertisement and easy to navigate information about how to obtain BOINC in order to attach to the project (or any other project).


                                                                                                    The newer layout for pages on facebook appear to be limited as far as what information can be added. You can pretty much add anything you want on the older layouts. This particular BOINC page needs to somehow be referenced on any E@H page.

                                                                                                    http://www.facebook.com/pages/BOINC/32672338584.

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                                                                                                    Message 105788 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 1:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 105786.

                                                                                                      What if the e@h created a facebook page?

                                                                                                      http://www.facebook.com/pages/EinsteinHome/111138845604847?ref=search. It still requires advertisement and easy to navigate information about how to obtain BOINC in order to attach to the project (or any other project).


                                                                                                      The newer layout for pages on facebook appear to be limited as far as what information can be added. You can pretty much add anything you want on the older layouts. This particular BOINC page needs to somehow be referenced on any E@H page.

                                                                                                      http://www.facebook.com/pages/BOINC/32672338584.


                                                                                                      The "AJAX" pages are essentially WIKIs making their way into Facebook.
                                                                                                      I know this because when I was an undergrad, I DJd for my college radio station. A little over a year ago, I created a page for fellow former DJs of the station. Recently, when I typed in the call letters to get to my page, an AJAX page for the station also showed the AJX page, which was pretty much the WIKI, word for word.
                                                                                                      If E@H desires a more personal and direct presence on Facebook or any other social netoworking site, either the project admins should start the page there, or authorize someone, such as a current and good moderator to do so.

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                                                                                                      Message 105789 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 1:06:36 UTC

                                                                                                        Greetings, new users! Was it the articles about the discovery that brought you here?

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                                                                                                        Message 105792 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 4:02:42 UTC

                                                                                                          Bruce and company (that means everyone, I guess)... CONGRATS!!! The news of this discovery is a triumph for all of us, even if the data was only "significant" on two computers.

                                                                                                          I had quit BOINCing after I lost 2 hard drives and about 4 years worth of photographs, but this makes it feel (almost) like it was worth the loss.

                                                                                                          Success breeds success. KEEP IT UP!!!

                                                                                                          I am now opening a bottle of Lagavulin 16 to celebrate this grand occasion. Cheers to all!
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                                                                                                          Message 105794 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 4:34:40 UTC - in response to Message 105792.

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                                                                                                            Bruce and company (that means everyone, I guess)... CONGRATS!!! The news of this discovery is a triumph for all of us, even if the data was only "significant" on two computers.

                                                                                                            I had quit BOINCing after I lost 2 hard drives and about 4 years worth of photographs, but this makes it feel (almost) like it was worth the loss.

                                                                                                            Success breeds success. KEEP IT UP!!!

                                                                                                            I am now opening a bottle of Lagavulin 16 to celebrate this grand occasion. Cheers to all!

                                                                                                            It's The Barkster! Hey, The Barkster's back .... :-)

                                                                                                            So this is the 'bonfire in a bottle' 16 year old stuff? We'll call the fire brigade for you then ....

                                                                                                            Cheers, Mike.
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                                                                                                            Message 105803 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 13:52:18 UTC - in response to Message 105789.

                                                                                                              Hi Sarge :)

                                                                                                              Yep, for me, it was the news about the Pulsar find that brought me here :)
                                                                                                              I saw it on the UK BBC News website and thought I would like to help out if I could.

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                                                                                                              Message 105804 - Posted 24 Aug 2010 17:46:04 UTC - in response to Message 105803.

                                                                                                                Yep, for me, it was the news about the Pulsar find that brought me here :)
                                                                                                                I saw it on the UK BBC News website and thought I would like to help out if I could.


                                                                                                                Welcome! I see you've already started to accumulate computing credits -- well done!
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                                                                                                                Message 105824 - Posted 25 Aug 2010 14:34:12 UTC

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                                                                                                                  Hi everybody!
                                                                                                                  I just want to say congratulations for this discovery! I hope the first of many.
                                                                                                                  I'm new in this project but I believe in it.

                                                                                                                  (Sorry for my poor english, I'm... french...)
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                                                                                                                  Message 105837 - Posted 26 Aug 2010 14:57:36 UTC

                                                                                                                    Wow ! I haven’t been on the site in a couple of months and,
                                                                                                                    was surprised and pleased to see this ! Congratulations !

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                                                                                                                    Message 105852 - Posted 27 Aug 2010 7:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 105824.

                                                                                                                      Your English seems fine to me :)
                                                                                                                      Welcome :)

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                                                                                                                      Message 105853 - Posted 27 Aug 2010 7:49:54 UTC

                                                                                                                        I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's .....

                                                                                                                        Cheers, Mike.
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                                                                                                                        Message 105866 - Posted 27 Aug 2010 14:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 105852.

                                                                                                                          Your English seems fine to me :)
                                                                                                                          Welcome :)

                                                                                                                          99% of the time when someone apologizes for their English, their grammar is at least good enough to get by and their spelling is above average ;)

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                                                                                                                          Message 105873 - Posted 27 Aug 2010 19:48:33 UTC

                                                                                                                            Bruce:

                                                                                                                            This discovery is great news!
                                                                                                                            All the long hours of administration to keep the LIGO and the servers humming has yielded a 'payoff'. I hope this will be the first discovery of many and perhaps some photos from the some time booked on the LBT would give us a true appreciation for the quadrant of the sky where this was found.

                                                                                                                            Keep up the good work!

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                                                                                                                            Even though I am a scientist, astrophysics is NOT my specialty - it is my humble pleasure to contribute to these amazing discoveries.

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                                                                                                                            Message 105897 - Posted 29 Aug 2010 8:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 105853.

                                                                                                                              I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's .....


                                                                                                                              Please also see the boincstats summary of Einstein@Home users.

                                                                                                                              You can see that we added about 12,000 new volunteers since the August 12th announcement of PSR J2007+2722. My fondest wish is that some substantial fraction of our old volunteers, who have stopped running Einstein@Home, now start running it again. That could significantly boost Einstein@Home throughput/performance.

                                                                                                                              Cheers,
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                                                                                                                              Message 105937 - Posted 31 Aug 2010 3:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 105897.

                                                                                                                                I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's .....


                                                                                                                                Please also see the boincstats summary of Einstein@Home users.

                                                                                                                                You can see that we added about 12,000 new volunteers since the August 12th announcement of PSR J2007+2722. My fondest wish is that some substantial fraction of our old volunteers, who have stopped running Einstein@Home, now start running it again. That could significantly boost Einstein@Home throughput/performance.

                                                                                                                                Cheers,
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                                                                                                                                Looks like I can eat most of my words. Congrats on the discovery and getting the news out to draw in new crunchers. (Please do see my discussion with someone else, above, regarding the "Ajax" pages on Facebook, though.)

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                                                                                                                                Message 105941 - Posted 31 Aug 2010 8:26:18 UTC - in response to Message 105866.

                                                                                                                                  Your English seems fine to me :)
                                                                                                                                  Welcome :)

                                                                                                                                  99% of the time when someone apologizes for their English, their grammar is at least good enough to get by and their spelling is above average ;)

                                                                                                                                  I still use my Webster Collegiate Dictionary from 1953. Few Italians ever use a dictionary and you read such horrors in Italian newspapers like "suspence" instead of "suspense", which is also French.
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                                                                                                                                  Message 105958 - Posted 31 Aug 2010 18:50:18 UTC

                                                                                                                                    I gather from the BOINC Workshop slides that "our" second pulsar should be a binary system, composed by a neutron star and a white dwarf. Is it so?
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                                                                                                                                    Message 105961 - Posted 31 Aug 2010 20:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 105958.

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                                                                                                                                      Hi!

                                                                                                                                      The talk Tullio mentioned seems to be the one available at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/attachment/wiki/WorkShop10/BOINCws2010_Knispel.pdf.

                                                                                                                                      Yes, looks like a Neutron-Star - White Dwarf binary, and with an orbital period of < 10 hours (!), comparable to the period of the famous Hulse-Taylor pulsar PSR 1913+16 which is just under 8 hrs.

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                                                                                                                                      Message 105966 - Posted 31 Aug 2010 22:45:00 UTC

                                                                                                                                        how do you know u r part of the project

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                                                                                                                                        Message 105970 - Posted 1 Sep 2010 1:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 105966.

                                                                                                                                          how do you know u r part of the project

                                                                                                                                          Since January 2005 (on my account page).
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                                                                                                                                          Message 105971 - Posted 1 Sep 2010 3:13:09 UTC

                                                                                                                                            Well, we've cracked over 300 TFlops. I can't recall what our best ever is/was.

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                                                                                                                                            Message 105989 - Posted 1 Sep 2010 6:52:29 UTC - in response to Message 105958.

                                                                                                                                              Hi Tullio,

                                                                                                                                              I gather from the BOINC Workshop slides that "our" second pulsar should be a binary system, composed by a neutron star and a white dwarf. Is it so?


                                                                                                                                              This is correct, though to be more precise, we can only say that the minimum mass of the companion is 0.94 solar masses. This, together with the fact that the orbit appears to be circular, makes it likely that the companion star is a white dwarf. However if the companion has a mass greater than about 1.4 solar masses then it must be a neutron star. Normally however these are found in an eccentric rather than in a circular orbit. So the current evidence points to the companion being a white dwarf, not a neutron star.

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                                                                                                                                              Message 105992 - Posted 1 Sep 2010 7:14:08 UTC - in response to Message 105989.

                                                                                                                                                Thanks Bruce for your explanation. To dig a little deeper, does the Shapiro delay mentioned mean that the pulsar's radiation speed is lowered when the companion star passes in front of it? Thanks again.
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                                                                                                                                                Message 105997 - Posted 1 Sep 2010 8:13:58 UTC - in response to Message 105992.

                                                                                                                                                  Hi Tullio,

                                                                                                                                                  yes, that is effectively what the Shapiro delay does. You can imagine it as the pulsar's radio waves (and pulses) having to travel down and up again in the companion's gravitational potential well. Thus, at the point the pulses are slightly delayed compared to the propagation without the companion in the line of sight.


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                                                                                                                                                  Message 106131 - Posted 6 Sep 2010 14:49:45 UTC

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                                                                                                                                                    Hi all, new to Einstein@Home but used to Fold and was a long time Seti contributor back a few years. When my income became fixed (and low) I had to quit running my PC's 24/7 and so dropped out of the distributed computing gig. I saw the recent Einstein publicity and thought I'd see what it would cost me to keep my best PC up and running for a month. If I can afford it I'll keep her running. This is the most interesting project to me as I've always been an astronomy nut.

                                                                                                                                                    I must say I'm somewhat amused by the disappointment expressed by this project at the lack of growth. Einstein@Home appears to be the third fastest growing distributed computer project in terms of users and the fastest growing DC project in terms of hosts. That is not bad at all. I am surprised and disappointed by the total number of BOINC users though, less than 3 million? Now that is sad.

                                                                                                                                                    Anyway congratulations on your first discovery, looking forward to the confirmation and announcement of the second, and hoping to contribute towards the third.

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                                                                                                                                                    Message 106875 - Posted 11 Oct 2010 0:33:28 UTC

                                                                                                                                                      Wasn't there mentioning of a possible second Pulsar find in the interview is there any possitive or negative match of that yet.

                                                                                                                                                      Do we have our second new Pulsar or do we keep looking for that nr2.

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                                                                                                                                                      Message 106881 - Posted 11 Oct 2010 5:31:07 UTC - in response to Message 106875.

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                                                                                                                                                        Hi all,

                                                                                                                                                        it wasn't only a possible pulsar find no. 2. We do have a second Einstein@Home pulsar, some details of which can be found at the end of my talk from the last BOINC workshop in London here.

                                                                                                                                                        In short: it's a pulsar in a binary with an orbital period of 9.41 hours in an almost perfectly circular orbit. The mass of the companion is not known yet, but must be at least 0.93 solar masses. Most likely it is a massive white dwarf, but it could also be a neutron star companion.

                                                                                                                                                        There have been almost daily observations of the system in September which allowed us to get a timing solution for the orbit. This method allows one to determine a model of the pulsar system in which the arrival time of each single radio pulse can be predicted to an average precision of a few ten microseconds in our case. Further observations should allow to determine the companion mass and orbital geometry of the system.

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                                                                                                                                                        Message 106904 - Posted 11 Oct 2010 18:00:54 UTC

                                                                                                                                                          Hi Ben,

                                                                                                                                                          Will it be possible to use this system to test indirectly the theory of gravitational waves (as was done in the Nobel prize winning work of Hulse & Taylor)?

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                                                                                                                                                          Message 106917 - Posted 12 Oct 2010 7:06:51 UTC - in response to Message 106881.

                                                                                                                                                            Why no announcement :(

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                                                                                                                                                            Message 106938 - Posted 12 Oct 2010 18:35:34 UTC

                                                                                                                                                              Who,when,where?
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                                                                                                                                                              Message 107044 - Posted 18 Oct 2010 10:33:09 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                congrats!

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                                                                                                                                                                Message 107083 - Posted 19 Oct 2010 6:39:40 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                  Wooo woooo !! Cracked 330 TFLOPS. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                  Message 107238 - Posted 25 Oct 2010 14:19:45 UTC - in response to Message 106881.

                                                                                                                                                                    Is there already a schedule for the official announcement of the discovered second pulsar. And do we have some more candidates in the crunched results, to be investigated in more detail?

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                                                                                                                                                                    Message 107239 - Posted 25 Oct 2010 14:40:09 UTC - in response to Message 107238.

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                                                                                                                                                                      As with the first discovery an official announcement will reveal the details of the 'second' pulsar when it has been published in a paper by PALFA collaboration. The problem with this pulsar is that is is much weaker (i.e. probably further away) than the first one, and it is indeed in binary system. Both means that much more observation time is required to confirm its existence and to determine the exact parameters than it was the case with the first discovery. The first discovery could be verified and timed within a few hours by almost any radio observatory on earth; AFAIK for the second pulsar observations are still being made and calculations done.

                                                                                                                                                                      I am tempted to say that away from the galactic center, i.e. in the currently searched 'anti-center' data set pulsars are much thinner. I don't know of any pleasant surprises there yet, but post-processing still requires manual inspection and thus is usually a couple of days behind. And Benjamin will be away the next two weeks, which will delay this even further.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Message 107977 - Posted 22 Nov 2010 7:47:22 UTC - in response to Message 105447.

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour.


                                                                                                                                                                        That is still a very high rate of new user uptake.

                                                                                                                                                                        As far as I can tell this project has no shortage of users or CPU capacity assuming you are able to minimise attrition.

                                                                                                                                                                        Facebook, Yahoo etc ... have so many users they have a user die-off problem ... that is to say they have entire departments devoted to users who have transmitted their last kilobyte. E@H should not be that big ... and it does not need to be as a single user can fire up an entire computer lab of CPU capacity.

                                                                                                                                                                        This project should grow manageability, not like the SETI @ Home mess (that has only stabilized in the past 3 years.

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