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We are delighted to announce that Einstein@Home has made its first discovery: a radio pulsar, found in data from the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. | |
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Wow, this is big news. Congratulations to everybody who made this possible. And Helen, Chris and Daniel, I am soooooo jealous! | |
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Then the method is sound. Was it ABP2? | |
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Congratulations! | |
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Congratulations with this discovery! | |
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The NSF webcast is now online. | |
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Congratulations for the great work. ^_^ | |
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Congratulations to the volunteers and the AEI staff involved in this discovery! I think this is a great day also for BOINC in general and the concept of citizen science. | |
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My heart skipped a beat or three !! This awesome .... :-) :-) | |
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As a long-time fan of this project, I am excited to hear the excellent news! The sneak announcement of a possible second pulsar discovery (see time 22:00 to 22:35 in the NSF webcast) means the race is on. Congratulations to the lucky discoverers and let's keep crunching.... | |
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As a long-time fan of this project, I am excited to hear the excellent news! The sneak announcement of a possible second pulsar discovery (see time 22:00 to 22:35 in the NSF webcast) means the race is on. Congratulations to the lucky discoverers and let's keep crunching.... Yes I saw that, contributors from UK and Russia putatively. I also thought that this announcement may trigger a spot of gold-rush fever ..... there's pulsars in them thar hills! :-) Cheers, Mike. ( edit ) I think the E@H PALFA/ABP WU fraction ( of total distributed ) is going to increase too ??? ( edit ) From here “This is the first time I’ve worked closely with radio astronomers making a discovery,” said Allen. “It was like watching 5-year-olds tearing Christmas presents. Or like watching someone throw chunks of meat at starving sharks.” So maybe any gold rush will influx from both sides : computing contributors and those that seek to harness .... thus with more ( catalytic ) power to both. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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You know you've hit the big time when you are the featured story on the Coast To Coast AM Radio Show web site! | |
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Also in Nature News: | |
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From the BBC also. This coverage will do distributed computing some good. | |
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That's a really big news~! Congratulations to all~~ | |
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9682 new hosts in the last 24 hours. | |
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I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour. | |
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...One suggestion was, if you read an on-line article about E@H, please add something to the 'COMMENT' area below the article, saying "to sign up, point your web browser to http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and follow the instructions: Join Einstein@Home". This is a good idea! Maybe we can add also "if you are already signed up but your RAC is <10... no chance for you to discover a new pulsar :-D" P.S. congratulations !!!!! ____________ ![]() | |
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I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour. What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category. One couldn't/wouldn't have to speak on behalf of E@H, but simply give them a heads up on the discovery. Our national broadcaster ABC and most of the DownUnda major networks et al have some variety of online contact from the general public to their newsrooms available ( email, web form etc .. ). This could be virally effective. Cheers, Mike. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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This is soooooooooo awesome! Congrats to the volunteers and especially the scientific and technical teams, | |
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What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category. This is a good idea. Many local radio and TV stations and newspapers would probably be more interested in doing a story if they felt there was a local person who could talk about their participation in the project. ____________ | |
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This is soooooooooo awesome! Congrats to the volunteers and especially the scientific and technical teams, Thank you! Fun to find something, at last. And if you watch the webcast, you'll learn that we've already found a SECOND radio pulsar in Einstein@Home (but are not revealing many details yet!). ____________ | |
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This is a good idea. Many local radio and TV stations and newspapers would probably be more interested in doing a story if they felt there was a local person who could talk about their participation in the project. Yup. Well that's me off and running then. Consider it done! :-) Cheers, Mike. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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9682 new hosts in the last 24 hours. Yep. But 2/3 of these are from our top two contributers which throw away their hostids. I modified the server status page to exclude hosts of these accounts. BM | |
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Still, 2283 new participants in 24 hours. This is the effect of the pulsar discovery. | |
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I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour. Well, there may not be much we can do for now. With hot weather in the northern hemisphere, a lot of people have undoubtedly decided to shutdown their computers to help keep things cool. (I've had to shut down must of my computers for that, as I've indicated elsewhere.) ____________ ![]() | |
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The rate of volunteers signing up is increasing. We're now up to 4800 in the first 24 hours, so about 200/hour. And in the past ten hours the rate has been 250/hour. That's an improvement! | |
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Hi all, I have just recently joined after seeing the report in the UK BBC local news website. | |
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Hi all, I have just recently joined after seeing the report in the UK BBC local news website. Welcome to Einstein@Home! Yes, the jargon can be a bit frightening at first :-) , but don't hesitate to ask questions here, for example in the "Science" forum. Learning about Pulsars, neutron Stars, astrophysics and the strange world of general relativity is a big fun part of Einstein@Home. (You might not be able to post messages initially in all forums here, but after returning the first validated results from your PC, you'll be able to do so as an active member. This is a anti-spam feature we had to adopt to stop spammers flooding the forum). In the meantime, there are some links on the home page that might be useful to get an introduction into the science of Einstein@Home. I recommend especially the following: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/radiopulsar/html/index.php Info on the Pulsar search here at Einstein@Home http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/einstein.ram (Realplayer required) A movie on gravitational waves and detectors built to catch them. http://www.einstein-online.info/ A portal for information on Relativity for the general public. Happy crunching HBE ____________ ![]() ![]() | |
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Bravo, | |
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What about contributors directly contacting one's local media outlets with a suggestion ( eg. provide E@H website link ) to follow-up/research the story, evidently in the science category. Bruce, 2 or 3 years ago I noted how many users there, BOINCwide, worldwide. If memory serves correctly, it was in the 1,500,000 to 1,800,000 range. BOINCStats now indicates there are 2,006,833 users of BOINC (for any project) worldwide. Thus, the approximate range of daily recruitment of users for any project is about 450 to 700 people (rounding the minimum down a little and the max up a bit). Is there some stats page, BOINCStats or other, that tracks joining rates? I wonder if BOINCStats is tracking active users or just those that have signed up (and possible never even crunched a single WU)? Referring to your first post on current new crunch join rate, or any subsequent posts, well, I'd have to say that on the surface this current rate seems somewhat better than the overall, BOINCwide, join rate I'm estimating for over the past 2-3 years. On the other hand, there's the issue of whether those that join actually crunch (regardless of RAC0 and are retained. I do not totally agree that this is a good idea. To "get the story out," it should come from the project scientists or, at the least, the project scientists should provide some pointers of what they'd like mentioned if the bulk of spreading the word is left to the crunchers. I say this based on me reading of Leading Minds: An Anatomy Of Leadership by Howard Gardner and Emma Laskin (1996). It's too bad there was not more to say in that book about leadership in the information age. Along similar lines, consider that a magazine such as Discover has, IIRC, had few articles on Distributed Computing in the last 2-3 years. When SETI is in an article, it's the SETI Institute, with discussions with Seth Shostak, for example. Rarely, if ever, is the SETI@Home project included in such an article. I believe project scientists need to take an active part in spreading the word: the "story" to get out there is your story, and crunchers could only assist in getting the word out in a limited fashion. | |
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There is, and yes. Michael ____________ Team Linux Users Everywhere ![]() | |
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I believe project scientists need to take an active part in spreading the word: the "story" to get out there is your story, and crunchers could only assist in getting the word out in a limited fashion. Hence the sentence I wrote after the one quoted : One couldn't/wouldn't have to speak on behalf of E@H, but simply give them a heads up on the discovery. Bruce did actively lead - he flew to the US and back from Germany - to fit into an NSF web program slot which included the lead PALFA scientist James M. Cordes and BOINC originator David Anderson. I hear what you say, Sarge. It' more a pragmatic issue of E@H not having the funds/time etc ( this applies to many E@H activities, indeed why E@H exists at all ). Ideally a dedicated press office/publicist/etc would be great. DownUnda at least, the press is hard to distract from it's own profits, 'general interest' stories don't fly too well ( apart from cats stuck in trees ) and anything without footage is dead in the water. As science discoveries certainly don't fit the shock/horror/scandal paradigm one is left with viral/non-broadcast methods. Cheers, Mike. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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I wonder if BOINCStats is tracking active users or just those that have signed up (and possible never even crunched a single WU)? Both, as you could've seen on the BOINC combined stat. You mentioned the total number of users, while the active number is just one column to the right. ____________ Jord -The BOINC FAQ Service - BOINC 7.0 FAQ I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee... | |
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Well, you got me :) I did not know about the project before so maybe you need either more discoveries or just more news! | |
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Congratulations for your discovery.This makes me want to return.And I am returning. | |
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Congratulations for your discovery.This makes me want to return.And I am returning. See here. Cheers, Mike. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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Well I managed to hit one of the Melbourne dailies :-) | |
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Mike, good job. | |
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What if the e@h created a facebook page? | |
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What if the e@h created a facebook page? http://www.facebook.com/pages/EinsteinHome/111138845604847?ref=search. It still requires advertisement and easy to navigate information about how to obtain BOINC in order to attach to the project (or any other project). | |
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Hi, | |
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http://pgj-new.pagesperso-orange.fr/0810-nouvelles.htm#pulsar | |
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I am a new member.. | |
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Welcome from Lost In Yonkers. | |
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Also in Germany there are some articles to be read, watch this : | |
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Also in Germany there are some articles to be read, watch this : There are about 25 on-line articles in German, as well as a number of printed newspaper stories during the past week. Do a 'Google News' search for "Einstein@Home" or "J2007+2722" to find them. ____________ | |
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What if the e@h created a facebook page? The newer layout for pages on facebook appear to be limited as far as what information can be added. You can pretty much add anything you want on the older layouts. This particular BOINC page needs to somehow be referenced on any E@H page. http://www.facebook.com/pages/BOINC/32672338584. | |
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What if the e@h created a facebook page? The "AJAX" pages are essentially WIKIs making their way into Facebook. I know this because when I was an undergrad, I DJd for my college radio station. A little over a year ago, I created a page for fellow former DJs of the station. Recently, when I typed in the call letters to get to my page, an AJAX page for the station also showed the AJX page, which was pretty much the WIKI, word for word. If E@H desires a more personal and direct presence on Facebook or any other social netoworking site, either the project admins should start the page there, or authorize someone, such as a current and good moderator to do so. | |
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Greetings, new users! Was it the articles about the discovery that brought you here? | |
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Bruce and company (that means everyone, I guess)... CONGRATS!!! The news of this discovery is a triumph for all of us, even if the data was only "significant" on two computers. | |
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Bruce and company (that means everyone, I guess)... CONGRATS!!! The news of this discovery is a triumph for all of us, even if the data was only "significant" on two computers. It's The Barkster! Hey, The Barkster's back .... :-) So this is the 'bonfire in a bottle' 16 year old stuff? We'll call the fire brigade for you then .... Cheers, Mike. ____________ "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal | |
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Hi Sarge :) | |
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Yep, for me, it was the news about the Pulsar find that brought me here :) Welcome! I see you've already started to accumulate computing credits -- well done! ____________ | |
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Hi everybody! | |
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Wow ! I haven’t been on the site in a couple of months and, | |
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Your English seems fine to me :) | |
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I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's ..... | |
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Your English seems fine to me :) 99% of the time when someone apologizes for their English, their grammar is at least good enough to get by and their spelling is above average ;) | |
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Bruce: | |
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I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's ..... Please also see the boincstats summary of Einstein@Home users. You can see that we added about 12,000 new volunteers since the August 12th announcement of PSR J2007+2722. My fondest wish is that some substantial fraction of our old volunteers, who have stopped running Einstein@Home, now start running it again. That could significantly boost Einstein@Home throughput/performance. Cheers, Bruce ____________ | |
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I notice that our TFLOPS has moved up in recent weeks, just now 292.4, from the low 270's ..... Looks like I can eat most of my words. Congrats on the discovery and getting the news out to draw in new crunchers. (Please do see my discussion with someone else, above, regarding the "Ajax" pages on Facebook, though.) | |
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Your English seems fine to me :) I still use my Webster Collegiate Dictionary from 1953. Few Italians ever use a dictionary and you read such horrors in Italian newspapers like "suspence" instead of "suspense", which is also French. Tullio ____________ | |
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I gather from the BOINC Workshop slides that "our" second pulsar should be a binary system, composed by a neutron star and a white dwarf. Is it so? | |
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Hi! | |
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how do you know u r part of the project | |
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how do you know u r part of the project Since January 2005 (on my account page). Tullio ____________ | |
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Well, we've cracked over 300 TFlops. I can't recall what our best ever is/was. | |
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Hi Tullio, I gather from the BOINC Workshop slides that "our" second pulsar should be a binary system, composed by a neutron star and a white dwarf. Is it so? This is correct, though to be more precise, we can only say that the minimum mass of the companion is 0.94 solar masses. This, together with the fact that the orbit appears to be circular, makes it likely that the companion star is a white dwarf. However if the companion has a mass greater than about 1.4 solar masses then it must be a neutron star. Normally however these are found in an eccentric rather than in a circular orbit. So the current evidence points to the companion being a white dwarf, not a neutron star. Cheers, Bruce ____________ | |
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Thanks Bruce for your explanation. To dig a little deeper, does the Shapiro delay mentioned mean that the pulsar's radiation speed is lowered when the companion star passes in front of it? Thanks again. | |
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Hi Tullio, | |
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Hi all, new to Einstein@Home but used to Fold and was a long time Seti contributor back a few years. When my income became fixed (and low) I had to quit running my PC's 24/7 and so dropped out of the distributed computing gig. I saw the recent Einstein publicity and thought I'd see what it would cost me to keep my best PC up and running for a month. If I can afford it I'll keep her running. This is the most interesting project to me as I've always been an astronomy nut. | |
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Wasn't there mentioning of a possible second Pulsar find in the interview is there any possitive or negative match of that yet. | |
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Hi all, | |
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Hi Ben, | |
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Why no announcement :( | |
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Who,when,where? | |
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congrats! | |
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Wooo woooo !! Cracked 330 TFLOPS. :-) | |
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Is there already a schedule for the official announcement of the discovered second pulsar. And do we have some more candidates in the crunched results, to be investigated in more detail? | |
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As with the first discovery an official announcement will reveal the details of the 'second' pulsar when it has been published in a paper by PALFA collaboration. The problem with this pulsar is that is is much weaker (i.e. probably further away) than the first one, and it is indeed in binary system. Both means that much more observation time is required to confirm its existence and to determine the exact parameters than it was the case with the first discovery. The first discovery could be verified and timed within a few hours by almost any radio observatory on earth; AFAIK for the second pulsar observations are still being made and calculations done. | |
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I'm disappointed at the rate with which new volunteers are joining Einstein@Home. My hope was that the publicity would get us 1000 new volunteers per hour, for a week. The current rate is about 150 per hour. That is still a very high rate of new user uptake. As far as I can tell this project has no shortage of users or CPU capacity assuming you are able to minimise attrition. Facebook, Yahoo etc ... have so many users they have a user die-off problem ... that is to say they have entire departments devoted to users who have transmitted their last kilobyte. E@H should not be that big ... and it does not need to be as a single user can fire up an entire computer lab of CPU capacity. This project should grow manageability, not like the SETI @ Home mess (that has only stabilized in the past 3 years. ____________ | |
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