Have your similar failures been with eufi (or should that be uefi?) bios'd boards?
Does this phenomenon just affect Asus?
I remain intrigued and thank all for their response's.
Gav.
When the board failed, I couldn't even get into the bios.
It just keep turning on and sat there. I'd leave it up to a hour and no post.
only BD showing up on the code.
That particular board had ASUS suite on it but I was not using that when the computer failed. I was only shutting it down and when I tried to restart it later it failed to boot.
... but the real purpose of this post is to ask if anybody else has experienced this type of issue or can shed any light onto what the heck causes it!
Gav.
Hi Gavin,
As a consumer of *lots* of boards over lots of years, I can say with confidence that they don't make 'em like they used to :-).
Ten years ago, I was buying second hand ex-business machines and the only failure that really occurred was the 'swollen capacitor' plague. Those were quite repairable (with a decent soldering iron) and I would have done about 10-20 of those. I started building on new boards around 2009 and of those (so far) I've had just two complete failures - burnt out components in the VR circuitry. There have also been a couple of repairable capacitor failures.
I have always bought low end boards from Asus, Asrock and Gigabyte. The vast majority are still running. The most common board was an Asus P5KPL-AM/PS which hosts CPUs like Q8400 quads and E6300 dual cores, etc. I have around 30-40 of them. There have been zero failures with that board, despite the fact that they run continuously in an ambient that is almost always in the range 30-36C. All of them have CPU core temperatures that many would be horrified by - 80C+. Some run as high as 95C for all the summer months. There has not been a single CPU or board failure despite the heat.
Fast forward to the 2013+ era. I have quite a few Sandy Bridge - Ivy Bridge hosts and, later on, some Haswell generation builds as well. Out of this lot, I've had three board failures exactly like the ones you describe. Two were refusal to boot after a crash and one was a refusal to boot after a normal shut down and restart. Occasionally, I see this type of behaviour with older generation machines but (always, so far) I can get them going again by more extreme measures like removing all power and the BIOS battery for 24-48 hours when all other normal tricks fail. Then, like magic, they suddenly start BIOS beeping again and go completely back to normal. I have tried these techniques with the three more modern boards with absolutely no success.
My theory is that we can blame this on the rise of the mobile devices - phones, tablets, netbooks, laptops, etc :-). Traditional boards must be an ever decreasing segment of the market these days and without the former volumes, manufacturers need to save costs by skimping everywhere. The budget boards would have the lowest profit margins and so be in need of the highest cost savings through cheaper components and lesser R&D testing, etc. It probably shouldn't be much of a surprise that they fail more readily.
The budget boards would have the lowest profit margins and so be in need of the highest cost savings through cheaper components and lesser R&D testing, etc. It probably shouldn't be much of a surprise that they fail more readily.
I expect also the newer motherboards have more components compared to older generation, so more likely to fail. CPUs require more voltage phases for integrated video etc.
Did you try uninstalling (if running win7) KB3133977 ? Must be done from another maschine. Difficult. Do a search in the internet for the mentioned KB-update causing problems.
running Win7 with two ASUS Sabertooth Z170 Mark I (Skylake) board, one ASUS Sabertooth Z170 S (Skylake) board, one GigaByte GA-H170N-WiFi (Skylake) board, one ASROCK Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 (Ivy Bridge) board and one ASUS X79-DELUXE (Ivy Bridge-EP) board.
The four ASUS (NVIDIA high-end GPU) and the one ASROCK (mid-range NVIDIA GPU) run perfectly with GEN3 and PCI 3.x!
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When the board failed, I couldn't even get into the bios.
It just keep turning on and sat there. I'd leave it up to a hour and no post.
only BD showing up on the code.
That particular board had ASUS suite on it but I was not using that when the computer failed. I was only shutting it down and when I tried to restart it later it failed to boot.
When not asus, is there a
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When not asus, is there a payable other high tech mainboard on the market ?
RE: When not asus, is there
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I have Gigabyte Ultra Durable UD3 (6years old) and UD5 (15 months) as well as an Asus (4 months) mobo - all faultless.
RE: ... but the real
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Hi Gavin,
As a consumer of *lots* of boards over lots of years, I can say with confidence that they don't make 'em like they used to :-).
Ten years ago, I was buying second hand ex-business machines and the only failure that really occurred was the 'swollen capacitor' plague. Those were quite repairable (with a decent soldering iron) and I would have done about 10-20 of those. I started building on new boards around 2009 and of those (so far) I've had just two complete failures - burnt out components in the VR circuitry. There have also been a couple of repairable capacitor failures.
I have always bought low end boards from Asus, Asrock and Gigabyte. The vast majority are still running. The most common board was an Asus P5KPL-AM/PS which hosts CPUs like Q8400 quads and E6300 dual cores, etc. I have around 30-40 of them. There have been zero failures with that board, despite the fact that they run continuously in an ambient that is almost always in the range 30-36C. All of them have CPU core temperatures that many would be horrified by - 80C+. Some run as high as 95C for all the summer months. There has not been a single CPU or board failure despite the heat.
Fast forward to the 2013+ era. I have quite a few Sandy Bridge - Ivy Bridge hosts and, later on, some Haswell generation builds as well. Out of this lot, I've had three board failures exactly like the ones you describe. Two were refusal to boot after a crash and one was a refusal to boot after a normal shut down and restart. Occasionally, I see this type of behaviour with older generation machines but (always, so far) I can get them going again by more extreme measures like removing all power and the BIOS battery for 24-48 hours when all other normal tricks fail. Then, like magic, they suddenly start BIOS beeping again and go completely back to normal. I have tried these techniques with the three more modern boards with absolutely no success.
My theory is that we can blame this on the rise of the mobile devices - phones, tablets, netbooks, laptops, etc :-). Traditional boards must be an ever decreasing segment of the market these days and without the former volumes, manufacturers need to save costs by skimping everywhere. The budget boards would have the lowest profit margins and so be in need of the highest cost savings through cheaper components and lesser R&D testing, etc. It probably shouldn't be much of a surprise that they fail more readily.
Cheers,
Gary.
RE: The budget boards would
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I expect also the newer motherboards have more components compared to older generation, so more likely to fail. CPUs require more voltage phases for integrated video etc.
RE: In recent weeks I have
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Might not be relevant but I have seen mention on the net of MS enabling secure boot and Asus apparently have a bug in their uefi (sp?) BIOS.
MarksRpiCluster
Did you try uninstalling (if
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Did you try uninstalling (if running win7) KB3133977 ? Must be done from another maschine. Difficult. Do a search in the internet for the mentioned KB-update causing problems.
Might be your problem also!
sorry for the interuption,
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sorry for the interuption, but...
for future plans to run a Haswell/Skylake based mainboard I encourage you to run your pcie bus at "GEN 2" that means it runs only on PCIe 2.x.
Just guessing that GEN3 and PCIe 3.x are too much for this new mainboards.
... just a side
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... just a side comment:
running Win7 with two ASUS Sabertooth Z170 Mark I (Skylake) board, one ASUS Sabertooth Z170 S (Skylake) board, one GigaByte GA-H170N-WiFi (Skylake) board, one ASROCK Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 (Ivy Bridge) board and one ASUS X79-DELUXE (Ivy Bridge-EP) board.
The four ASUS (NVIDIA high-end GPU) and the one ASROCK (mid-range NVIDIA GPU) run perfectly with GEN3 and PCI 3.x!