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I missed the actual launch on

I missed the actual launch on Sunday because I was distracted by other issues, but having viewed the video posted by Mike I am surprised that they launched in heavy fog because it would definitely effect video tracking. Interesting.

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RE: I missed the actual

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I missed the actual launch on Sunday because I was distracted by other issues, but having viewed the video posted by Mike I am surprised that they launched in heavy fog because it would definitely effect video tracking. Interesting.


Fair point. Depends on their mission rules I suppose.

I'll definitely watch the non-hosted versions in future. Those presenters really need to cut down on the Red Bull ....

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) If I've analysed/read things correctly then the next launch would have no recovery attempt as the 5.3 tonne payload is at the GTO delivery limit ( recall that they are ultra cooling the fuel now, and the barrel holds more too ).

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I showed my father the first

I showed my father the first landing of the Space X a couple of weeks ago.

The only thing he said was, why are all those people in the Command center not in shirts and ties, lol..

I told him, it's a different age we live in.

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RE: I missed the actual

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I missed the actual launch on Sunday because I was distracted by other issues, but having viewed the video posted by Mike I am surprised that they launched in heavy fog because it would definitely effect video tracking. Interesting.


I don't believe fog is a launch constraint. Rain may be. Winds are.

Ice is easy, especially if you have a little LOX venting activity.

Sadly I don't think this will be the last time ice causes a problem with a launch.

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Late March will be

Late March will be interesting, two East coast and one West coast in three days !! :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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That future launch list is

That future launch list is really good stuff Mike, many Thanks :-))

Waiting for Godot & salvation :-)

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You'd think they'd have got it right by now

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RE: Sadly I don't think

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Sadly I don't think this will be the last time ice causes a problem with a launch.

Ice has always been an issue. It was especially problematic for the shuttle but for different reasons. I'm wondering if on future SpaceX launches where a return to land is planned if launches will not take place in fog.

When I watched the video that Mike posted the barge video shows that thing definitely moving up/down. It seemed quite a significant displacement based upon the position of horizon to platform.

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RE: That future launch list

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That future launch list is really good stuff Mike, many Thanks :-))


Yeah the Falcon Heavy, slated for early May, is gunna be one heck of a show. Plus of course the question of whether they will recover the composite Falcon 9's, land and/or sea ?

Cheers, Mike.

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RE: the question of whether

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the question of whether they will recover the composite Falcon 9's, land and/or sea ?


I think one of the reasons given for the need for ASDS is that the central third of a Falcon 9 Heavy will naturally end the "useful" part of flight rather farther downrange and faster than the two side packs. So boosting it back would require yet more fuel, and thus a larger loss of oomph than for the side packs.

I'd envision a tiered system, with a "barely heavy" launch landing all three at home, and a "barely anything returned" landing the two side clusters on ASDS far down-range, letting the center fend for itself. Of course the top end would be the "nothing returned" option allowing full lift performance devoted to the payload.

The interesting question that all raises in my mind is whether a landed Falcon 9 core is tough enough to withstand another one landing on the same land pad (just barely conceivable to me) or the same sea platform (not at the current size I think).

So full protection of possibilities for Heavy recoveries seems to call for six ASDS units. There seems no good reason to get on with building them until they are more sure that this works, that they want to do it on Heavy (which is a smallish part of the launches) and that they know just what their desired ASDS design is.

I had not thought this through before now, but I now think a real sign of serious intent to do returns on F9 Heavy launches will be the preparation of additional ASDS units. Landing next to one just landed, with no time for safing or tie-down, sounds really, really sporty to me. Probably it would cheaper to deploy two sized for single-unit recovery than one upsized enough to make two-unit plausible.

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RE: It seemed quite a

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It seemed quite a significant displacement based upon the position of horizon to platform.


Yeah. I thought 'outriggers', a relatively simple way to increase stability by spanning more fluid area to brace upon.

Cheers, Mike.

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